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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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show a 116 for the seventh of january

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two thousand eleven yes those of you

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with a keen sense of timber and a knack

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for accents might realize this is not

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Richard Saunders but this is George Rob

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filling in for Richard Saunders who is

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somewhere over the Pacific right now as

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he's on his way back to Australia i

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assume he's in an airplane but that's

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just an assumption so we'll see let's

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see this past week has been pretty

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pretty huge for us skeptics power

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balance has a class action lawsuit

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pending yay Andrew Wakefield recently

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received another kick in his

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non-vaccinated ass and merrill dory got

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kicked off the radio see we can make a

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difference Merry Christmas but before we

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get to all that there's some more

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interviews coming up here from Tam

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Australia you know about Tam Australia

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you might have heard of this little

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collection of skeptics zone reporter

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Maynard has a lovely chat with james

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randi julian morrow from the chaser

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program which is on ABC TV in australia

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Simon Singh rebecca watson and Courtney

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Bergen and I think he even talks with me

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Wow neat alright sit back have a diet

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coke or whatever you'd like or no you

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should have a ginger beer boy do you

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people know how to make ginger beer

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delish so pour yourself whatever imbibe

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meant you would enjoy have a seat fight

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back the rising flood waters as needed

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and enjoy this episode of the skeptic

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well i'm here at tom australia and

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there's a guy at a really unusual name

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amazing that is a great first name mr.

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Andy yes so I've been told that many

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people there refer to in conversations

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they refer to some amazing event I

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always interrupt them said no no no

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that's not an amazing it's astonishing

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I'm amazing you see and how did you get

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that one as a magician because there's

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lots of names you could have got you

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know incredible wacky kooky that guy

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over there why amazing well there's the

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insufficient that was one I I passed up

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and they disdainful that's a good one

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yeah the clumsy and a few things like

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that but I finally settled on amazing as

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a matter of fact that's interesting

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because when I first entered the

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conjuring profession as I prefer to

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refer to it I was given all kinds of

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choices that there were professors in

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this and the great and so and so but I

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didn't know of any Amazings and so I

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decided to adopt amazing Wow and what

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drew you to skip to Kennedy was because

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you were a magician you knew how a lot

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of illusions are made and you saw this

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going on well I've always been skeptical

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Eden since I was a little kid I doubted

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things that were told to me in Sunday

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school and I backed out of South go very

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early i can assure you i've always been

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skeptical i've always been very have

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practical and rational and I I don't

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know where it came from because my

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family was just a regular family of real

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people they weren't particularly

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skeptical or they certainly weren't

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atheistic or anything like that I always

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have been and I don't quite know where

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these things come from prepped from

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other examples that I absorbed around me

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mmm and there must be so many challenges

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over the years there was there was some

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things you're mentioning on stage that I

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find interesting the fake well the

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spiritual bomb detector that you do

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demonstrate it i found very unusual that

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the u.s. government would spend money on

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something like that that could be so

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easily tested and be found to be true

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enough well they didn't spend the money

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out if they gave the money to around two

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item and around if a the agency that

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invested in them the interesting thing

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is that the supplier from the UK of

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these fake rods was selling them for

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something like six hundred dollars and

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the cost went up to over six thousand

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dollars by the time they actually

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reached the Iraqis because in Iraq as

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with many of those Mid Eastern countries

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everybody has to make a cut every time

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it's passed on to another official and

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they take their percentage and the price

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goes up and up and up that's their way

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of doing business and I can't have any

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complaints about it it's their country

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that's the way they do things but that

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cost American taxpayer is a huge amount

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of money and I've been an American

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taxpayer so I felt rather badly about

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that but that's not the reason I went

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after it it's because it's costing lives

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it doesn't work it doesn't detect

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explosives it doesn't detect anything

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it's simply a total outright faith and

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what exactly was it you pulled it apart

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it was supposed to be a bomb detector

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had an aerial on it looked a bit like a

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high-tech dowsing rod yeah well that's

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what it is it's a high-tech dowsing rod

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and low-tech dies Andros don't work

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either nothing works in dowsing that's a

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total farce and a delusion an acquired

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delusion but nonetheless a delusion and

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all they did was they connected up a

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bunch of wires and meteors and such and

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the inside of the machine nothing is

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connected up there are electronics in

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there and magnets embedded in it that

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have nothing to do with the operation of

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it because there are no operating

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principles it's simply a swivel rod and

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Randy the US government did spend a lot

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of money on the MKULTRA project in the

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60s and 70s where they were trying to do

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remote viewing Andy they were trying to

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get into the psychic situation there now

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you've got the inside running on that

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did they get anything out of that are

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they continuing it now though they got

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nothing out of it whatsoever and of

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course they will continue with it

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because there's always some politician

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someplace or some commanding officer who

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believes in woo woo things and he will

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put a an order out yes we will spend

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money on this just in case the Russians

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who got it we

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and got it and of course that gets to

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the Russians and the Russians say oh I

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guess we better start spending some

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money on it because we haven't got it

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and both governments waste a huge amount

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of resources investigating things that

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were never there in the first place

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ridiculous and what do you think is the

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best way to approach people because I

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sometimes skeptics come on a little bit

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hard and put people off by throwing

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Sciences people when they're in fact

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just trying to look for a bit of

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spiritual comfort in a world that

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sometimes seems like it's a bit desolate

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that like most of our basic needs are

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taken care of people looking for their

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spiritualism yes well if all the people

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want is to feel good that's okay sure

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but wait a minute suppose you've got a

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deadly disease and there's no way that

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you can cure it by yourself you don't

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want to go to the medical help but some

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quack comes down the lane and says oh

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yes you take this magic pill pay me X

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number of dollars or whatever and it'll

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heal you oh if it only makes you feel

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better to be seeking that kind of a cure

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for your problems then and that's all

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you want well that's fine go ahead and

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die that's what all happen eventually

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but if you want to be better instead of

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just feel better spend the money in the

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right direction and what is the future

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direction for The Skeptical movement

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you're very big on education and some

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people are very scared of you going into

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schools and telling people godless

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information well we don't preach godless

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information but if we're asked about it

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we certainly give our opinion on it now

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I happen to be an avowed atheist and

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I've thought it out and that's my

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decision my decision is that I do not

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believe there is a God I can't prove

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that there is no God because I can't

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prove there are no unicorns for example

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I highly doubt it and there is no

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evidence to show there is a unicorn

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anywhere or ever has been but the same

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thing applies to a deity as well no

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evidence of a deity just a pleasant

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story that makes you feel better and

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when you open the paper just about every

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morning note that you must see something

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that activates your whoo-whoo alarm as

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you like to call it and by the way woo

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isn't actually a proper word yet is it

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what is not when I'm trying to make it

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one who spelled w 00 is the singular who

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is the Pearl I guess with a hyphen and

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why is that because ghosts might go woo

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or you go whoo when you hear that sort

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of information oh I used to use it when

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I was a kid and I'm trying to get it

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into Webster's dictionary which is the

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standard in the United States and

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perhaps Oxford might pick it up one of

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these days i don't think i'll live that

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long but nonetheless i'll sort of

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believe it as my legacy now one of the

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contemporaries of yours i'd like to

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bring it up briefly because it was Doug

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Henning who used to make elephants

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disappear on American television and

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he's no longer with us and I was just

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looking it up and I just happened to

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notice that he took the path of

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transcendental meditation which is

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before my time Randy what was that all

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about and did you know Doug and did you

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have active arguments with each other I

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have three letters in my files from Doug

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all of them equally sad the last one

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that he wrote me was not too long before

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his death but the first two were from a

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kid he was only 14 16 at the time when

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he wrote those two letters asking for my

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autograph and I of course sentiment

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autograph I didn't know him at that time

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then he got to be the doug henning and

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he rose to great prominence in the

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entertainment field particularly in the

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conjuring field of course we all knew

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him so well but along the way he picked

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up this transcendental meditation club

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that the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi had

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brought back to life in India and it

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teaches that you can you can study the

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art of TM and they call it and then you

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can actually learn to live forever

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that's one thing you can levitate you're

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going to float above the ground and

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whatnot all kinds of not tied to the

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photo damages on the face that

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meditation is a pretty calming and a

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nice relaxation is it yes it is what

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shouldn't but I do that to I call it

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taking a nap but they call it a going

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into a TM state well call it whatever

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you want take a nap every now and then

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it can't hurt if you're going to afford

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the time and you got the place to do it

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just don't sit in the puddle of water

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anything else like that but it seems to

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be a highly exaggerated advantage to

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have studied TM the the basic philosophy

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of PM is it's from the year to I think

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it's from way way back there but the

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fact that it's old doesn't make it right

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I think it somewhere along the line

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probably includes the idea of a flat

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earth and I have been around the world a

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few times I can tell you right now it

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ain't flat and what have you seen in the

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completely round and spherical Australia

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while you've been here what are you

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being up to what does the crazier Brandi

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get up to it not well I'd made not much

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I do a lot of sleeping at 82 you know

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that it sort of falls into place and I

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say tomorrow I'll have the great

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pleasure of spending the day with Dick

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Smith he'll come in and get me in his

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helicopter I will fly about a bit he's a

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good friend of mine has been for 30

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years now and he's a delight in absolute

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device and well Richard Saunders and yet

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Barry Williams and all these folks here

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are our delights of mine I I take a

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great joy in their presence I love

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visiting Australia I particularly like

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the the people of Australia the odd

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kangaroo I've tried to strike up an

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acquaintance of ship but it doesn't seem

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to work very well but i I've always

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delighted to be here I haven't been here

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in quite some years look James before

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you go um recently you came out as being

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gay this year and there was a huge so

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wat from everyone wasn't that I mean you

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know I idly should have expected people

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that you have rubbed the wrong way well

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in the skeptical field for years to have

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come out against you or said something

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but even your so-called enemies your

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nemesis whatever they might be so what

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was the big resounding answer yeah well

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I expected that I I did expect you I was

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a little leery about it just I wonder if

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it's gonna backfire on me but I had

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never felt it necessary to do that or

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even advisable to do that all of my

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acquaintances my family anyone that I

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knew my whole office and such they all

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knew about this we didn't talk about it

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wasn't anybody's business and I wasn't

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trying to keep it secret I'd never

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was but I'm coming up with my next book

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Oh within this year next year it's going

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to be called a magician of the

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laboratory and it's going to be largely

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autobiographical as well because it was

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about time yes it is a good time yes ya

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gotta hurry long hello and I thought

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that it would be best to sort of clear

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the air in that respect so that I

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couldn't be accused of having kept at a

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deep dark secret and what about for

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younger kids at the moment that may be

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thinking about coming out as being gay

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it's something you didn't do when you

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were younger maybe because of the time

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whatwhat's any advice you might have to

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them because it's you know it's

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difficult for anyone who's apparently

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normal apparently what if that is yes

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whenever that is well when I was a kid

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it was almost impossible it was very

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difficult back then everything was set

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against it and I had to hide my light

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under a bushel as they say in some book

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or other but what did surprise me I'm

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glad you brought that up but really

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totally surprised that I didn't expect

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it and when I did the coming out online

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as I did I began to get email from young

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kids boys and girls who were adolescents

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in most cases who thanked me for having

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done it and said it gave them strength

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to be able to do the same thing I didn't

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expect that and the fact that it had

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that side effect is very very gratifying

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to me i'm so happy that i did it i wish

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i had done that many years ago if it had

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given the advantage to some of these

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kids who wanted to come out and where do

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you think they should find their

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strength from to come out is that their

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friends is there a trusted person in the

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community you know yeah i mean because

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we all have our different people we look

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oh yeah oh I I don't know that each

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person will have to make up their own

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minor that sometimes the family is going

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to be dead set against it or toss them

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out into the cold although oddly enough

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when most people do come out the family

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goes well you will you that okay yeah I

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be really the month I'm sure that's true

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but you've got to evaluate to whom

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you're going to add on whom you're going

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to depend from then on because young

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kids don't have their own means of doing

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this sort of thing so each one has to

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make his own say his or her own decision

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on the virus

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but I'm happy that I did if it had that

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effect on some adolescence and what are

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one last thing I would like to ask you

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about some music because skepticism

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doesn't have much music going on in it

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does it because we all talk about ideas

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all the time and I'm doing a bit of a

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thing about the music of town Australia

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and is there one song or music and it

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doesn't even have to be skeptical

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someone says something that you know boy

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sticks in your head Mandy why would you

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like to request almost anything the jury

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crabs sitting right over there I will

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come up with her he's a great fine for

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the skeptical movement and he has what

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as much hair as i have you see I don't

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know how he does that it's remarkable oh

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I special track from George oh yes yes

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yes I we took lessons together but dead

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oh he's a great musician he's a great a

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deliberate and he's great though

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donation to the skeptical community is

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there one song in particular that you

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think really sets up George's being that

403
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guy no but his version of happy birthday

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is a little raunchy maybe you want to

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ask him for that thank you the amazing

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Randi and like is there any adjectives

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left I can have like you know the kind

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of kooky may not all you know

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astonishing of sounding or fine with me

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because I don't know anybody who use

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them so but not amazing though that's

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I'm here without Julie Mara of the chase

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I just asked a few questions here I just

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any questions for her and someone said

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Julian dude Julian's have an affinity

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with Julian's as Simon's do with

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Simone's but you would just up at the

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skeptics there at Tammy's rally and you

419
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were sort of talking about communicating

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a skeptical message without appearing a

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dick that was bad yeah well yeah yeah

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look it's funny we've found over the

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years that you can you can make fun of

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people and have them not feel humiliated

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or demeaned we've also found that you

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can humanly happen to mean them and you

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kind of learn by through trial and error

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but but the reality is that skeptics are

429
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trying to communicate effectively and if

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by your words or simply your attitude

431
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you convey a sense of superiority or

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mockery that may well limit the

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effectiveness of your conversation hmm

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and how have you found working within

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the ABS system lately I became system

436
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lately someone works to the ABC and has

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been on the pointy end of their their

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complaint problem before um do you think

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they've changed it in any way after the

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issue they had with you because comedy

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is really not something that is

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evidence-based apart from laughter no

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that's right yeah look I haven't

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actually changed their their policies I

445
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think what happens is when there's a big

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controversy there's like a chill effect

447
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for a while and we've been through that

448
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cycle a number of times the last one

449
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obviously was was pretty intense and so

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that took a while to wear off but I

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think it does wear off generally

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speaking I find that the people who work

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at the ABC although often that they fear

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for their jobs and given that we've got

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some of them sacks that's an

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understandable thing they're generally

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supportive they want to do interesting

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an adventurous content but they're also

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aware that the ABC is kind of a target

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in the culture war and so they've got to

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cover their asses would you enjoy to

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personally reply to these complaints

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yourself because that's what I would

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like to do i would like to bypass the

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management and just reply to the

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complaints myself but i don't have to do

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you do that we can sometimes or

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sometimes they obviously freaks out if

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you do that Andrew Denton once said to

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me that the best way to respond to any

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letter of complaint is to respond by

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saying thank you for your letter you may

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be right which is completely non

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committal but doesn't really engage

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the ABC complaints department do a great

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job at actually staking out the

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territory of why the ABC thinks that the

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sort of material that we put to where

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canton should be put to where it's a

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pretty onerous job and given the number

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of complaints that we get I think that

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perhaps life's a bit too sure what to

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respond well that's why the hell'd the

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whole department there so you don't have

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to please do because when you think

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about if you did have to reply to all

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the stuff you'd be pretty busy well yeah

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you wouldn't be able to make a show in

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the audience here I noticed that there

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was a few people that seem to be asking

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you whether the show was just merely

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trying to shock and wasn't actually

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funny how do you ask that kind of

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question either I not be the person is

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the chaser just trying to shock and not

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so interested in being funny thank you

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very much it clearly sir that's what you

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believe is the answer I mean there are

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some people who just don't like

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offensive or crude comedy and you're

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never going to be able to win them over

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but if those people think that what they

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don't find funny is the limit of what is

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funny they're making a different mistake

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from the one they think you're making

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and that's the common ABC complaint it's

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someone it's not necessarily in comedy

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it can be in any editorial area you're

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talking about a topic that they don't

510
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think should be special about yeah and

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and like like look I really don't like

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country music I'm not big on metal but I

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don't think those two genres shouldn't

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exist that's right exactly yeah its

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horses for courses and what I mean and

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we've kind of made fun of that over the

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years we invented the caracal Philip

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highly of Adelaide who's this kind of

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command the old man over who and

520
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whenever we did a complaint we did a

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sketch which we thought was likely to

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prompt complaints we would have this guy

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complaining immediately afterwards

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always ending with the what a waste of

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taxpayers money because that's the kind

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of you know stick that you get beaten

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over well there was that Canadian sure

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that they used and their complaints

529
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would screw you taxpayer yeah that's

530
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right about Bonnie yeah yeah yeah now

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how do you go when you see a comic that

532
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isn't funny and they ask you what did

533
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you think a lot I mean sometime if

534
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you've had time you you craft a form of

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words that is not technically a lie the

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one thing I've learned not to say and I

537
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always used to say used to say tough

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crowd ya know exactly you don't say that

539
00:21:01,170 --> 00:20:59,170
because yeah that's your code look I

540
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:01,180
mean and there is a thing amongst comic

541
00:21:02,590 --> 00:21:02,410
performers that you know that everyone

542
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:02,600
had

543
00:21:08,110 --> 00:21:05,690
a good day in a bad day and and also you

544
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:08,120
know if people are trying to be comic

545
00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:10,010
performers but particularly starting off

546
00:21:15,070 --> 00:21:12,110
and not doing that well well they still

547
00:21:17,230 --> 00:21:15,080
should be encouraged I try to say things

548
00:21:18,940 --> 00:21:17,240
like gee the audience loved that that

549
00:21:20,890 --> 00:21:18,950
was great you know that implies I didn't

550
00:21:24,130 --> 00:21:20,900
like it but well done congratulations

551
00:21:25,539 --> 00:21:24,140
you know you could be positive we

552
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:25,549
thought about going back to prop comedy

553
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:27,530
yeah exactly and look at to talk about

554
00:21:30,250 --> 00:21:28,970
prop comedy for sure because we don't

555
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,260
see a lot of in Australia and Judith

556
00:21:34,899 --> 00:21:32,960
Lucy started as a prop comedy and she's

557
00:21:37,390 --> 00:21:34,909
I think she was a lot of prop comedy I

558
00:21:39,730 --> 00:21:37,400
mean in the second year of CNN and we

559
00:21:42,220 --> 00:21:39,740
kind of SAT us down and register ride

560
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:42,230
act about how we were going over budget

561
00:21:45,850 --> 00:21:44,450
and we had to have simple ideas and we

562
00:21:47,380 --> 00:21:45,860
couldn't be spending all his money and

563
00:21:49,690 --> 00:21:47,390
the very next sketch we came up with

564
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,700
involved a monster truck and crushing a

565
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,440
car where like I we can't say that to

566
00:21:54,580 --> 00:21:53,120
him until we went in and of course he

567
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,590
loves props so much like yes we're gonna

568
00:21:59,380 --> 00:21:57,200
catch carp this is gonna be cool so yeah

569
00:22:01,659 --> 00:21:59,390
you know and who is your favorite comic

570
00:22:03,010 --> 00:22:01,669
in the world ever now this is a tough

571
00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:03,020
question so I k asking what your

572
00:22:07,180 --> 00:22:05,510
favorite exactly i mean i think probably

573
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,190
my favorite convenes of all time under

574
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:08,960
the muppets get favorite guest star on

575
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:11,330
the Muppet favorite guests that are my

576
00:22:15,070 --> 00:22:13,250
was big would like least enough Peter he

577
00:22:17,049 --> 00:22:15,080
was cry John Cleese with the Morales was

578
00:22:18,220 --> 00:22:17,059
fantastic yeah Liza Minnelli do it was

579
00:22:19,810 --> 00:22:18,230
pretty funny you know there's some

580
00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:19,820
really doing Copacabana i think it was

581
00:22:23,740 --> 00:22:21,350
here excellent excellent yeah there's so

582
00:22:24,820 --> 00:22:23,750
many and and i've had a kid recently so

583
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:24,830
i'm watching them all again and it's

584
00:22:27,970 --> 00:22:26,330
fantastic but it look great when you can

585
00:22:29,020 --> 00:22:27,980
have an excuse to watch kids too i

586
00:22:30,610 --> 00:22:29,030
absolutely because i haven't got kids

587
00:22:31,810 --> 00:22:30,620
and just people think i'm weird no not

588
00:22:33,370 --> 00:22:31,820
now well you're not weird you just you

589
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:33,380
just get in touch with your inner child

590
00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:35,120
now as a tin foil hat okay with us

591
00:22:38,649 --> 00:22:36,710
fantastic is very funny leave us with

592
00:22:40,029 --> 00:22:38,659
like where someone or new comic we

593
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:40,039
should have a look at because he's a

594
00:22:43,630 --> 00:22:41,570
funny guy that she's a funny girl I

595
00:22:46,299 --> 00:22:43,640
really like um the guys from fear of a

596
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,309
brown planet Nazim Hussein and I forget

597
00:22:49,930 --> 00:22:48,320
the other Mars the other guy she's

598
00:22:51,850 --> 00:22:49,940
really using to see Australian Islamic

599
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:51,860
comedy developing I I think they're

600
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:53,330
great and i love the guys from salon

601
00:22:56,919 --> 00:22:55,010
cafe as well and next time someone tells

602
00:22:59,770 --> 00:22:56,929
you you're not funny even to you or any

603
00:23:03,190 --> 00:22:59,780
other comic but what should we say you

604
00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:05,149
alum he would someone who's on the

605
00:23:09,470 --> 00:23:07,289
pointy end of skepticism Simon Singh how

606
00:23:10,879 --> 00:23:09,480
I very well indeed very woozy I had no

607
00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:10,889
idea that chiropractors attempt to

608
00:23:15,379 --> 00:23:13,710
Detroit anything other than backs ya

609
00:23:17,419 --> 00:23:15,389
know I I mean I was in a similar

610
00:23:21,229 --> 00:23:17,429
position so four years ago five years

611
00:23:23,419 --> 00:23:21,239
ago I written books about I just read a

612
00:23:25,609 --> 00:23:23,429
book about cosmology and I knew quite a

613
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:25,619
bit about cosmology but didn't know that

614
00:23:28,460 --> 00:23:26,970
much about alternative medicine and then

615
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:28,470
I started hearing some weird claims and

616
00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:29,970
old claims it claims it just seemed to

617
00:23:33,889 --> 00:23:31,710
be too good to be true in fact when you

618
00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:33,899
looked at the evidence they were in fact

619
00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:35,549
not not backed up by any evidence

620
00:23:39,549 --> 00:23:37,769
whatsoever and so I decide to write a

621
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:39,559
book about alternative medicine and

622
00:23:44,479 --> 00:23:41,850
eventually came to riding the chapter

623
00:23:46,909 --> 00:23:44,489
about chiropractic and through that um

624
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:46,919
you ended up in court now I think I've

625
00:23:51,169 --> 00:23:48,840
come close to court a few times by

626
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:51,179
saying things but did you anyway expect

627
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:52,559
that you were actually writing something

628
00:24:00,049 --> 00:23:54,330
that would find you in court costing you

629
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:00,059
money um I don't know I said I have no

630
00:24:05,509 --> 00:24:03,330
idea I have no idea why the

631
00:24:08,659 --> 00:24:05,519
chiropractor's felt so touchy about it

632
00:24:10,220 --> 00:24:08,669
sir all utterly astonished when when the

633
00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:10,230
legal threat appeared because it was

634
00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:12,600
really the last thing on our minds the

635
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,609
case was dropped against me so I kind of

636
00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:17,039
feel vindicated but it was a two-year

637
00:24:21,529 --> 00:24:19,529
battle in libel is a is a horrendous and

638
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:21,539
complicated and messy and expensive and

639
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,970
time-consuming process so what I'm now

640
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:25,679
involved with along with a lot of other

641
00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:26,850
people and a lot of other organizations

642
00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:29,609
and I know people here in Australia and

643
00:24:33,889 --> 00:24:31,350
New Zealand have been very supportive is

644
00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:33,899
trying to reform the libel laws so that

645
00:24:39,619 --> 00:24:37,710
if somebody is sued for libel they can

646
00:24:41,899 --> 00:24:39,629
afford to defend it they can afford the

647
00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:41,909
time the money to defend it and that

648
00:24:46,090 --> 00:24:44,580
it's a fair justice system at the moment

649
00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:46,100
the libel laws are horrendously

650
00:24:51,470 --> 00:24:49,710
one-sided so I had to fight a completely

651
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:51,480
uphill battle for two years and I came

652
00:24:54,830 --> 00:24:53,460
very very close to losing that battle is

653
00:24:55,999 --> 00:24:54,840
their system in place somewhere in the

654
00:24:57,859 --> 00:24:56,009
world that you would point to as being

655
00:24:59,060 --> 00:24:57,869
the example because the Americans bit

656
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:59,070
too much to other way if you're a famous

657
00:25:02,389 --> 00:25:00,720
person you can say anything about them

658
00:25:03,529 --> 00:25:02,399
and you know you can't have as much come

659
00:25:04,820 --> 00:25:03,539
back and that goes a bit more the other

660
00:25:06,379 --> 00:25:04,830
way doesn't it yeah I mean there's

661
00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:06,389
there's a spectrum see to what you've

662
00:25:10,419 --> 00:25:08,609
got is is you know there are two rights

663
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:10,429
here there's my right of free speech and

664
00:25:15,090 --> 00:25:13,330
there's your right to reputation

665
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,100
and I want to be able to say things

666
00:25:19,170 --> 00:25:17,440
about you but you clearly feel should

667
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:19,180
feel that if I'm saying something is

668
00:25:22,350 --> 00:25:21,130
unfair and unreasonable and defaming

669
00:25:25,140 --> 00:25:22,360
your reputation you should have the

670
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:25,150
right to protect it in America I think I

671
00:25:30,330 --> 00:25:26,410
think you could argue and I think many

672
00:25:32,460 --> 00:25:30,340
people do argue that the there's too

673
00:25:34,650 --> 00:25:32,470
much emphasis on free speech and not

674
00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:34,660
enough emphasis on on the protection of

675
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:38,110
reputation in Britain we're completely

676
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:39,490
the other way around to where the other

677
00:25:43,580 --> 00:25:40,810
end of the spectrum we're completely

678
00:25:45,690 --> 00:25:43,590
anti free speech and reputation is

679
00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:45,700
prioritized i would say england just

680
00:25:49,770 --> 00:25:48,070
needs to move up the scale we need to

681
00:25:53,370 --> 00:25:49,780
move up towards where places like Canada

682
00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:53,380
and Australia are whether a more

683
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:56,260
reasonable and fair libel laws and maybe

684
00:25:59,730 --> 00:25:58,090
towards the American system but but no

685
00:26:01,320 --> 00:25:59,740
III think you're right now some people

686
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,330
would argue the American system is to

687
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:03,520
pro free speech but you know I think

688
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:05,530
that's up for debate G Simon I'm just

689
00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:08,110
thinking you want to change the English

690
00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:09,820
legal system now I'll try thinking

691
00:26:13,050 --> 00:26:11,260
people have successfully done that with

692
00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:13,060
in their lifetime I pulled out three

693
00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:15,070
isn't it the way I'm not doing on my own

694
00:26:19,740 --> 00:26:17,620
I'm not it wasn't the first person to

695
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:19,750
our key for it's like it it hasn't got

696
00:26:22,860 --> 00:26:21,130
any wheels on it it hasn't even got

697
00:26:24,900 --> 00:26:22,870
rollers you can't even drag it it seems

698
00:26:26,690 --> 00:26:24,910
like it's a tough one it you know when

699
00:26:30,210 --> 00:26:26,700
people think of libel they think of

700
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:30,220
Sunday tabloid newspapers criticizing

701
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:31,600
celebrities celebrities yeah it's

702
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:33,490
usually someone's reputation that it

703
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:35,170
might mean a lot to them but it's not

704
00:26:38,670 --> 00:26:36,970
not got a societal thing as such it

705
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:38,680
again it's about tittle-tattle and

706
00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:40,450
newspapers maybe being irresponsible and

707
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:42,460
yeah it's it's a it's a kind of dirty

708
00:26:48,380 --> 00:26:45,250
end of journalism what the public didn't

709
00:26:51,270 --> 00:26:48,390
realize was it libel also affects

710
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:51,280
scientific free speech and and if

711
00:26:56,610 --> 00:26:53,440
medical researchers can't speak openly

712
00:26:59,610 --> 00:26:56,620
about their concerns regarding a new

713
00:27:01,740 --> 00:26:59,620
pharmaceutical then the public don't get

714
00:27:04,110 --> 00:27:01,750
to hear those concerns and the public

715
00:27:06,570 --> 00:27:04,120
only hear half the story but but the

716
00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:06,580
fear instilled in people is so much that

717
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:09,070
they just just just won't fight these

718
00:27:13,230 --> 00:27:11,890
cases it's such a one-sided battle you

719
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:13,240
just assume you're going to lose from

720
00:27:17,670 --> 00:27:15,490
the get-go and even when you win you

721
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:17,680
lose with the cost yeah exactly yes sir

722
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:20,080
you have to writer if you if you lose a

723
00:27:23,730 --> 00:27:21,370
libel case you're going to lose a

724
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:23,740
million pounds if you win a libel case

725
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:24,890
you're probably only one

726
00:27:29,980 --> 00:27:27,290
thousand pounds so when winning means

727
00:27:32,980 --> 00:27:29,990
losing then why bother fighting in the

728
00:27:34,090 --> 00:27:32,990
first place so does that mean you really

729
00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:34,100
watch your mouth leaving at dinner

730
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:40,670
parties now it scared the hell outta me

731
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:43,570
it really made me physically nauseous

732
00:27:48,580 --> 00:27:46,490
you know getting a libel threat is just

733
00:27:50,650 --> 00:27:48,590
an awful thing so you know it's made me

734
00:27:53,050 --> 00:27:50,660
incredibly conscious about the threat of

735
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:53,060
libel but it's also made me aware of the

736
00:27:57,070 --> 00:27:54,770
fact that you know you've got to speak

737
00:27:58,690 --> 00:27:57,080
out because if you're journalist you

738
00:28:00,460 --> 00:27:58,700
can't speak at what supports the point

739
00:28:02,020 --> 00:28:00,470
of being a journalist look to finish up

740
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:02,030
with let's give you a free kick you can

741
00:28:05,410 --> 00:28:03,710
say anything you like about me in this

742
00:28:08,260 --> 00:28:05,420
open forum here you can libel or slander

743
00:28:09,970 --> 00:28:08,270
me onto this mp3 player right now so go

744
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:09,980
your hardest I promise no action will be

745
00:28:16,540 --> 00:28:14,930
taken I know I'm a nice guy okay I'm I

746
00:28:17,620 --> 00:28:16,550
take it up night if you catch my haircut

747
00:28:19,630 --> 00:28:17,630
you'll you'll you'll come up with

748
00:28:21,460 --> 00:28:19,640
something pretty fast do you have your

749
00:28:23,650 --> 00:28:21,470
own little bit of non evidence-based

750
00:28:25,210 --> 00:28:23,660
let's call it were in your life I mean

751
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:25,220
do you like lights in the sky are

752
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,480
interesting to you ever look up

753
00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:28,880
astrology you know do take multivitamins

754
00:28:30,730 --> 00:28:29,900
when you're feeling getting sick or

755
00:28:32,860 --> 00:28:30,740
anything that's not completely

756
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:32,870
evidence-based it's just in the

757
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:34,910
background of your life I don't think so

758
00:28:40,150 --> 00:28:37,970
I don't think so ah any superstitions do

759
00:28:41,890 --> 00:28:40,160
would you walk under a ladder yeah i

760
00:28:44,260 --> 00:28:41,900
think so i think that cat wouldn't

761
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:44,270
bother you know i'm a bit allergic to

762
00:28:47,650 --> 00:28:46,130
them butBut what that's why cats brian

763
00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:47,660
cats all cats well there's evidence but

764
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:49,940
yeah yeah now i'm not particularly

765
00:28:59,900 --> 00:28:53,210
superstitious but you are very careful

766
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:02,760
well look now I've got a couple of skip

767
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,290
chick see what's your name Courtney

768
00:29:09,690 --> 00:29:07,600
Bergen and who the hell are you i'm

769
00:29:12,030 --> 00:29:09,700
rebecca watson okay radio now as I

770
00:29:13,650 --> 00:29:12,040
mentioned 911 was inside job doesn't

771
00:29:15,390 --> 00:29:13,660
really get many people laid I've seen

772
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:15,400
most the people in what is that movie

773
00:29:21,390 --> 00:29:18,730
the one was released recently oh you

774
00:29:25,020 --> 00:29:21,400
must know that made a couple versions of

775
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:25,030
it so to be more specific the air the

776
00:29:28,770 --> 00:29:27,610
Apes okay right yeah there were the plan

777
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:28,780
of the Apes where they claim to the book

778
00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:30,970
the all the big inside loose change

779
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:33,070
obscenity balloons change they aren't

780
00:29:36,780 --> 00:29:35,530
dating a lot okay now what is and the

781
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:36,790
Warren Commission no one that's never

782
00:29:40,020 --> 00:29:37,929
got anywhere late except the people who

783
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:40,030
are in it back in the 60s what is the

784
00:29:43,530 --> 00:29:41,890
approach to skeptical girls what's the

785
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:43,540
best way to endear yourself to them is

786
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:44,890
er a topic should we study neuroscience

787
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,290
oh I know it's a pretty wide very

788
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:52,000
question with no correct answer but this

789
00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:54,490
is where wide wider speculation comes

790
00:30:00,480 --> 00:29:56,950
into its own well what did Jay say to

791
00:30:02,130 --> 00:30:00,490
you to really win your heart yes this is

792
00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:02,140
evidence based in yeah that that is

793
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:04,900
evidence-based well uh Jay actually

794
00:30:10,580 --> 00:30:07,360
asked me out for about six months and I

795
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:10,590
kept saying no so I guess it's tenacity

796
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:12,610
we're going to encourage the creepy

797
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:16,240
stalkers damn you're right advice was

798
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:17,850
gonna be don't be a creepy stalker

799
00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:22,090
barely that work done partner wins what

800
00:30:26,250 --> 00:30:24,070
is the line between persistence and

801
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:26,260
creepy still go start and stop by house

802
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:30,730
causing a training order humor uh yeah

803
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:32,890
yeah you know skeptical girls are smart

804
00:30:37,380 --> 00:30:35,710
and and funny and awesome so you just

805
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:37,390
should be the same that's all its it

806
00:30:41,370 --> 00:30:40,240
it's a simple combination you know well

807
00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:41,380
you see you'll married how did it work

808
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:44,710
with you um well I was a yeah we met at

809
00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:46,960
a skeptics conference so I would

810
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:48,340
recommend you go to as many skeptics

811
00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:50,410
conferences as you can well considering

812
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:51,670
the women on a Mac up about ten percent

813
00:30:54,780 --> 00:30:53,200
that's a lot of conference I think

814
00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:54,790
they're at least thirty-five to forty

815
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:55,860
percent of this one

816
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,799
yeah and and you know all you have to do

817
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:00,240
is be the coolest guy in the room which

818
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,090
honestly not that difficult here not

819
00:31:09,260 --> 00:31:06,000
that about low-hanging fruit the world's

820
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:09,270
tallest [\h__\h] okay so let's go about be

821
00:31:15,260 --> 00:31:12,059
physically tall persistence and humor

822
00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:15,270
those are three pillars of fire I would

823
00:31:18,650 --> 00:31:16,980
recommend not don't take yourself so

824
00:31:20,030 --> 00:31:18,660
seriously I think the problem I see with

825
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:20,040
a lot of skeptics is that they get

826
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,990
really wound up about a particular issue

827
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:23,760
that's all they want to talk about just

828
00:31:30,620 --> 00:31:26,460
relax and and let the conversation go

829
00:31:33,530 --> 00:31:30,630
where it will and just be cool and you

830
00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:33,540
recommend that us men listen oh yeah

831
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:36,840
absolutely happy to listen I should have

832
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:39,770
gone without saying oh yeah okay and

833
00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:42,120
okay well look that's I'll go put that

834
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:43,620
to practice now and any marriages or

835
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:44,820
babies that come out of this it's both

836
00:31:49,220 --> 00:31:47,100
your fault all right great great amazing

837
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,230
is taking my Randy now what adjectives

838
00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:51,840
would you like oh gosh but difference I

839
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:54,059
think that's pretty clear well I'd like

840
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:55,650
you to give a message to my friend

841
00:31:59,600 --> 00:31:57,570
Warren common who was very excited that

842
00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:59,610
I'd be meeting you i'm warren has worked

843
00:32:02,390 --> 00:32:01,140
on a number of movies in Hollywood there

844
00:32:04,820 --> 00:32:02,400
have you got any project you'd like to

845
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:04,830
try and float him Rebecca yeah I want a

846
00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:07,710
cartoon based on my life I want it to be

847
00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:09,630
like only like I'm superhero and I

848
00:32:13,580 --> 00:32:11,220
travel around the world I'm all your

849
00:32:18,409 --> 00:32:13,590
powers big well the powers of deduction

850
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:18,419
and awesomeness and invisibility oh so

851
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,650
you would have something in common lube

852
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:21,360
Wonder Woman so would you have an outfit

853
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:23,010
that's like this blatantly sexist is

854
00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:24,330
that and would you have a drug

855
00:32:27,289 --> 00:32:25,830
dependency problem like the actress

856
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:27,299
developed later on if you gotta let plan

857
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:28,890
to be thought that far through i have

858
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:31,710
actually and that's I my outfit would be

859
00:32:35,659 --> 00:32:33,809
actually my everyday look which is a

860
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:35,669
nerdy t-shirt with some sort of ironic

861
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:40,320
saying on it jeans and those big boots

862
00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:42,090
that are good for really like kicking

863
00:32:45,770 --> 00:32:44,190
can I say can I curse yeah you can't

864
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:45,780
really get for kicking ass my hitta cast

865
00:32:50,539 --> 00:32:48,210
explicit label now what is the thing in

866
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:50,549
Goose you huge skip chick what is the

867
00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:53,010
thing that really gets your goat as the

868
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,600
man who stared at things that gets your

869
00:32:58,880 --> 00:32:56,640
goat what what's the thing that really

870
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:58,890
makes you go off you have to leap to its

871
00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:01,919
defense hmm I I really I'm really

872
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,929
passionate about women's health and

873
00:33:08,869 --> 00:33:06,240
the politics that keep women down in

874
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:08,879
general oh like those ads that keep you

875
00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:11,460
fresh down there exactly douche is one

876
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:13,799
of my most popular topics actually I

877
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:16,110
used it as a really good example of a

878
00:33:20,899 --> 00:33:18,179
product that's completely pseudoscience

879
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:20,909
invented yeah it serves no purpose at

880
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:23,369
all and it actually can harm people and

881
00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:24,690
that's the sort of thing as skeptics

882
00:33:29,749 --> 00:33:27,720
usually go after but douche not a common

883
00:33:31,340 --> 00:33:29,759
topic see I didn't think that that was

884
00:33:32,930 --> 00:33:31,350
people still took that stuff seriously

885
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:32,940
but then again I didn't think power

886
00:33:37,009 --> 00:33:34,710
balance bands will be big in the 21st

887
00:33:39,379 --> 00:33:37,019
century then there was an ad in women's

888
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:39,389
day in the US just a few months ago that

889
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:41,700
said it was tips on how to get over ask

890
00:33:46,999 --> 00:33:44,129
for a raise at work and number one was

891
00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:47,009
do shame I don't know where you work

892
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:49,559
what but maybe if your boss is into that

893
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:51,240
and I have visited Tokyo where that is

894
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,100
popular yeah all right maybe it's time

895
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:54,960
to find a new job you know that's the

896
00:33:58,639 --> 00:33:57,090
first step that is pretty well and and

897
00:33:59,989 --> 00:33:58,649
do men get uncomfortable you start

898
00:34:01,159 --> 00:33:59,999
talking about this because the subject

899
00:34:03,109 --> 00:34:01,169
we obviously don't have first-hand

900
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:03,119
knowledge of yeah and that's what what I

901
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:05,129
love doing I love saying the word douche

902
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:06,330
and watching all the men in the audience

903
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:08,490
just sort of shrink back into the seats

904
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:10,530
and also vagina vagina is really great

905
00:34:15,049 --> 00:34:13,379
word to say now so apart from going out

906
00:34:16,579 --> 00:34:15,059
and fighting the battle for dirty words

907
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:16,589
there what is your other area like to

908
00:34:19,789 --> 00:34:18,510
work and I mean obviously you would be

909
00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:19,799
you wouldn't share much with

910
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:21,540
anti-vaccination people I imagine oh I

911
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:23,609
hate the anti-vaxxers and in fact we

912
00:34:27,799 --> 00:34:25,649
just destroyed them this week on skeptic

913
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:27,809
they were trying to launch an ad

914
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:29,609
campaign that would be in American movie

915
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:31,770
theaters during one of the biggest weeks

916
00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:33,690
of the year for people to go out and

917
00:34:37,309 --> 00:34:35,190
watch movies the week from Thanksgiving

918
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:37,319
on and they were going to run these ads

919
00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:38,760
and we launched a campaign just

920
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,359
completely viral telling AMC that the

921
00:34:47,059 --> 00:34:44,159
big chain to not run these ads they were

922
00:34:48,379 --> 00:34:47,069
dangerous misinformation AMC listened to

923
00:34:50,299 --> 00:34:48,389
us and they pulled the ads at last

924
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:50,309
minute so no one saw them well

925
00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:52,049
congratulations on that thank you look

926
00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:53,669
and where does William Shatner sit in

927
00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:55,740
your life on my lap usually they now

928
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:57,540
you're big fan of the man i mean like

929
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:00,720
he's not exactly a feminist really well

930
00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:02,910
no but I mean he's just a walking punch

931
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:04,859
line like how could you not love the

932
00:35:07,450 --> 00:35:05,810
shat

933
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:07,460
have you ever listened to the look who's

934
00:35:10,570 --> 00:35:09,290
but podcast the but girls that that's

935
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:10,580
the they basically it's all about

936
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:12,650
William Shatner and sex toys no but i

937
00:35:15,730 --> 00:35:14,570
will now okay yet look at his but check

938
00:35:17,230 --> 00:35:15,740
it out Rebecca I think you probably

939
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:17,240
enjoyed and they have a potty mouth as

940
00:35:20,530 --> 00:35:18,890
well I they sound like my kind of girls

941
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,540
well before I leave your line because

942
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:22,160
you've got so many fans around you and

943
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:23,930
you've got four full bottles of wine

944
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:26,570
behind you although i have actually even

945
00:35:29,350 --> 00:35:27,680
though i was assured you were a show

946
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:29,360
from Big Pharma you have been able to so

947
00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:31,040
many drugs even once well you haven't

948
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:32,990
asked okay okay we'll do that in just a

949
00:35:36,010 --> 00:35:34,130
second but what do you think about

950
00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:36,020
Australian skeptics in what way are we

951
00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:38,180
different or you just have to be nice to

952
00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:40,040
us in interviews now you know I love the

953
00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:41,270
Australian skeptics because you're in

954
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:43,220
you're in people's faces you don't back

955
00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:45,710
down very strong grassroots activism

956
00:35:50,260 --> 00:35:47,990
that's quite inspiring actually so I'm

957
00:35:51,550 --> 00:35:50,270
hoping that Americans can pay attention

958
00:35:54,370 --> 00:35:51,560
to what the Australians are doing like

959
00:35:56,980 --> 00:35:54,380
with the anti-vaccine air and and take

960
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:56,990
them down well so i'm gonna token

961
00:35:59,920 --> 00:35:58,490
skeptic i'm a fellow traveler with them

962
00:36:02,260 --> 00:35:59,930
because i like listening to the skeptics

963
00:36:03,490 --> 00:36:02,270
God's universe but I equally love the

964
00:36:05,710 --> 00:36:03,500
damn agenda show which is like

965
00:36:07,570 --> 00:36:05,720
completely off the off the planet and I

966
00:36:08,890 --> 00:36:07,580
like the way my brain explodes and most

967
00:36:10,990 --> 00:36:08,900
people wouldn't listen to both those

968
00:36:13,390 --> 00:36:11,000
shows on their pod I've met a number of

969
00:36:15,850 --> 00:36:13,400
people in the US we have art bell coast

970
00:36:18,070 --> 00:36:15,860
to coast oh yeah and and I know a lot of

971
00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:18,080
skeptics who love listening to that and

972
00:36:21,940 --> 00:36:20,030
I I do to actually aim that's how that

973
00:36:24,070 --> 00:36:21,950
my first experience with paranormal

974
00:36:26,020 --> 00:36:24,080
stuff was on the side of wanting to

975
00:36:27,850 --> 00:36:26,030
believe in it you know cuz it's fun it's

976
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:27,860
really cool to think about ghosts and

977
00:36:31,780 --> 00:36:29,450
goblins and psychics and things like

978
00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:31,790
that no it's normal okay okay well I

979
00:36:34,810 --> 00:36:33,590
feel a bit well Rebecca Watson said I'm

980
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,820
normally don't quite have to take that

981
00:36:39,070 --> 00:36:36,560
what's your biggest challenge before you

982
00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:39,080
get on the flame cast of customs my

983
00:36:42,190 --> 00:36:40,430
biggest challenge yet is getting all

984
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:42,200
these drugs through customs I think you

985
00:36:45,010 --> 00:36:43,970
couldn't sell them mummy ugly you gotta

986
00:36:46,810 --> 00:36:45,020
have them up you gotta have the riddle

987
00:36:47,830 --> 00:36:46,820
in there the dexamphetamine there it's

988
00:36:49,090 --> 00:36:47,840
going to be quite clear well there's

989
00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:49,100
just the stuff I need for on the plane

990
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:50,750
it's a long ride most people sleep on

991
00:36:54,340 --> 00:36:51,530
the plane I wouldn't think that would

992
00:36:55,450 --> 00:36:54,350
help well you know I you're gonna be

993
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:55,460
flying it by the time you get back

994
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:57,050
that's right that's right and Rebecca is

995
00:37:00,880 --> 00:36:58,130
that some way you want to point us as a

996
00:37:04,060 --> 00:37:00,890
bit of a plug well skeptics skeptics org

997
00:37:06,340 --> 00:37:04,070
and also the skeptics guide org i also

998
00:37:08,830 --> 00:37:06,350
have curiosity aroused calm and I

999
00:37:11,650 --> 00:37:08,840
occasionally amount of podcast called

1000
00:37:13,330 --> 00:37:11,660
little atoms little Adams calm Thank You

1001
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:13,340
a baker and get some sleep and don't

1002
00:37:20,910 --> 00:37:15,610
ever shut that potty mouth heals

1003
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:20,920
oh man and the name that's come up a

1004
00:37:24,930 --> 00:37:22,210
long time and amount of not met before

1005
00:37:26,610 --> 00:37:24,940
Tammy Australia is George George George

1006
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,620
it's all over now there's no need to

1007
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:28,480
wear the suit you can calm down I think

1008
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:29,530
you're pretty much got tonight in the

1009
00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:31,090
bag with a few ladies or men or whatever

1010
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:33,220
you want really uh yeah one from column

1011
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,410
a and four from column B and we'll see

1012
00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:36,640
what happens just to keep the party

1013
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:38,470
interesting yeah I spoke to you at the

1014
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:39,970
beginning of the whole thing and by the

1015
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:41,650
end of it they what do you think I have

1016
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:44,050
the exchange of Canada ourselves I think

1017
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:45,730
you've carried yourself very well very

1018
00:37:50,370 --> 00:37:48,730
very well it's it's it's it struck me I

1019
00:37:51,780 --> 00:37:50,380
know this sounds more than I don't know

1020
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:51,790
I'm supposed to be all snarky but it

1021
00:37:56,430 --> 00:37:53,890
really is wonderful really to hear the

1022
00:37:58,530 --> 00:37:56,440
greeting that the the skeptics got the

1023
00:37:59,940 --> 00:37:58,540
universe my friends received when they

1024
00:38:02,190 --> 00:37:59,950
were introduced to realize that these

1025
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:02,200
are people that are on a literal

1026
00:38:05,550 --> 00:38:03,910
opposite side of the planet from us that

1027
00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:05,560
know them and it feel the influence of

1028
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:08,350
of the novellas and Avan and Rebecca and

1029
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,370
it is so it is so amazing and that word

1030
00:38:16,050 --> 00:38:14,560
keeps coming home it's the nature of

1031
00:38:17,940 --> 00:38:16,060
podcasting in some ways because you've

1032
00:38:19,770 --> 00:38:17,950
got your own geologic podcast and people

1033
00:38:20,850 --> 00:38:19,780
listened to you when I mean it's not

1034
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:20,860
just stuff that's on the background

1035
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:22,570
you've got your ears or you're driving

1036
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:24,010
to work are you doing something and you

1037
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:25,450
you're thinking of it I don't know it's

1038
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:26,890
almost like you're more of a friend to

1039
00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:28,810
us than normal broadcast radio because

1040
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:30,550
it's on there anyway I don't know if you

1041
00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:32,320
like isn't personal absolutely it's a

1042
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,670
very intimate relationship and weekly

1043
00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:35,440
none of you allegedly broadcast

1044
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:36,760
professionals you're doing it for

1045
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:38,110
reasons other than you're making money

1046
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:39,310
as a broadcaster you doing it because

1047
00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:41,410
that's what you like doing right the

1048
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,760
passion comes through and I think that's

1049
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:44,320
what people appreciate and latch onto

1050
00:38:49,260 --> 00:38:46,810
and it's a it's a one-sided friendship

1051
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:49,270
but it is a friendship and I I consider

1052
00:38:52,530 --> 00:38:50,650
the people listen to my show my friends

1053
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:52,540
the same way that the SU people do in

1054
00:38:55,890 --> 00:38:53,680
the same way that anyone who the

1055
00:38:58,350 --> 00:38:55,900
skeptics on people do as well okay one

1056
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:58,360
last question what's the weirdest [\h__\h]

1057
00:39:01,350 --> 00:38:59,440
thing that's happened to you while

1058
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:01,360
you've been here what you go man what's

1059
00:39:04,350 --> 00:39:02,560
this all about is anything to spawn you

1060
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:04,360
out while you've been here oh and if it

1061
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:05,770
hasn't we were heavenly tried but I

1062
00:39:08,730 --> 00:39:06,910
thought it might have been something I

1063
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:08,740
mean oh my goodness so you're gonna vote

1064
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:10,330
a bunch of skeptics last night until the

1065
00:39:14,070 --> 00:39:12,370
harbor right yeah that was that was

1066
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:14,080
quite fun that was quite lovely uh if

1067
00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:16,250
for some reason the the men's room

1068
00:39:20,410 --> 00:39:18,710
here in the Masonic Temple even though

1069
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:20,420
geometry seems to be their main focus

1070
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:21,950
they haven't figured out how to design

1071
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:24,320
two doors to open together so that has

1072
00:39:26,860 --> 00:39:25,730
been the strangest thing so far I bet

1073
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:26,870
that's probably happen to a few times

1074
00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:28,970
doesn't it ya ya sanar than that I think

1075
00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:39,070
look I'm over in the special dietary

1076
00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:41,180
corner and over here we have Dave the

1077
00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:43,070
happy singer and a fellow fellow

1078
00:39:47,350 --> 00:39:45,830
travelers will that be fair to say yes

1079
00:39:49,210 --> 00:39:47,360
and what have you thought of the

1080
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:49,220
conference e it's the first one you know

1081
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:51,050
you can be an outspoken critic of stuff

1082
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:52,970
and we like that about you how's it been

1083
00:39:59,170 --> 00:39:55,730
for you yeah well I'm I'm going to be a

1084
00:40:00,280 --> 00:39:59,180
little bit critical but any of the

1085
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,290
mishaps are just paled in comparison

1086
00:40:06,010 --> 00:40:02,560
with the quality of the speakers and the

1087
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:06,020
the amazing community that it's here and

1088
00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:09,110
that's really all that matters lady the

1089
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:12,710
social side is for me even more

1090
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:13,760
important than the speakers because

1091
00:40:16,810 --> 00:40:15,110
ultimately you can read the speaker's

1092
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:16,820
blogs you can see that listen to the

1093
00:40:21,220 --> 00:40:18,890
podcast you can see them most of them

1094
00:40:23,020 --> 00:40:21,230
you can see them speaking on YouTube and

1095
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:23,030
there's an extra boost from seeing them

1096
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,800
live but what really makes it so

1097
00:40:28,330 --> 00:40:26,720
wonderful from two for me is to be

1098
00:40:29,950 --> 00:40:28,340
together with so many like-minded

1099
00:40:31,780 --> 00:40:29,960
friends over the weekend to really fit

1100
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:31,790
in somewhere you know it's better

1101
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,310
karaoke is it using it's about the

1102
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:36,560
karaoke as much as it is about about the

1103
00:40:40,210 --> 00:40:38,930
serious business side you know it's is

1104
00:40:41,350 --> 00:40:40,220
there something you learnt from doing

1105
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:41,360
that and hanging out with them is there

1106
00:40:44,620 --> 00:40:42,890
something you didn't realize from having

1107
00:40:47,620 --> 00:40:44,630
so many like-minded people together I

1108
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:47,630
didn't realize I didn't realize I'm so

1109
00:40:52,210 --> 00:40:50,510
average what do you mean what do you

1110
00:40:54,070 --> 00:40:52,220
mean maybe what you thought you're out

1111
00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:54,080
there cuz people at work avoid you yeah

1112
00:41:01,180 --> 00:40:56,150
that's all thing but here but here I'm

1113
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:01,190
just I just surrounded by by incredible

1114
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:04,010
geniuses who know such arcane things

1115
00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:07,130
about all kinds of things you know to

1116
00:41:11,850 --> 00:41:09,470
eat you know you speak to this it's just

1117
00:41:14,260 --> 00:41:11,860
dripping with astronomers and medics and

1118
00:41:16,540 --> 00:41:14,270
and all these fascinating people you

1119
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:16,550
know and I'm in a room where you know if

1120
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,570
I wanted to know something about

1121
00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:19,280
neuroscience I can go over there and I

1122
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:21,140
can speak to Steve novella if I want to

1123
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:22,400
know something about astronomy I can go

1124
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:23,930
over there and I can speak to Pamela gay

1125
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:27,170
you know and it it's phenomenal you know

1126
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:29,450
is there one fact you've learnt that's

1127
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:30,800
really blown your mind here a lot of

1128
00:41:33,790 --> 00:41:32,510
people have the astronomy lecture said

1129
00:41:36,070 --> 00:41:33,800
that they didn't know about the P

1130
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:36,080
universe that stuff that really stood

1131
00:41:40,030 --> 00:41:38,690
out for me as well was Pamela Pamela

1132
00:41:42,730 --> 00:41:40,040
speech not only in terms of its

1133
00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:42,740
inspiration but also you know the fact

1134
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,660
that crowdsourcing has been such a has

1135
00:41:50,770 --> 00:41:49,520
been such benefits of it to the research

1136
00:41:52,210 --> 00:41:50,780
that they've been doing in here and like

1137
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:52,220
discovering the blue ellipticals and the

1138
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,490
peach shaped galaxy things was it was

1139
00:41:59,290 --> 00:41:57,920
pretty cool for the internet but I'm so

1140
00:42:01,540 --> 00:41:59,300
trying to develop the attitude that a

1141
00:42:03,730 --> 00:42:01,550
lot of people have to skeptics and a lot

1142
00:42:05,710 --> 00:42:03,740
of it can be summed up with skeptics are

1143
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:05,720
considered crackpots with evidence and

1144
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:06,770
people don't really want to follow

1145
00:42:13,630 --> 00:42:11,440
because it's too hard yeah there's a

1146
00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:13,640
constant debate isn't about this this

1147
00:42:17,140 --> 00:42:15,830
word skeptic I mean for a start a half

1148
00:42:18,820 --> 00:42:17,150
the people who call themselves skeptics

1149
00:42:21,730 --> 00:42:18,830
armed you know you've got the climate

1150
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:21,740
skeptics for example who are often just

1151
00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:23,450
nutty not even trying to follow evidence

1152
00:42:31,390 --> 00:42:25,160
they're just out ofthe and Annihilus the

1153
00:42:33,340 --> 00:42:31,400
crank and of course then there's the we

1154
00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:33,350
we struggle sometimes then with the the

1155
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:34,700
massive oval up there is with the

1156
00:42:38,350 --> 00:42:36,290
atheism and the fact that so many of us

1157
00:42:40,330 --> 00:42:38,360
are also outspoken atheists doesn't mean

1158
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:40,340
the skepticism is about atheism it just

1159
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:41,690
means that so many of us happen to be

1160
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:44,930
both and happen to care about both I

1161
00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:47,090
don't know what what to do about that I

1162
00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:50,750
mean I think one of the nicest phrases

1163
00:42:54,670 --> 00:42:52,670
to describe as it's free thinker but

1164
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:54,680
then how free is free you know you want

1165
00:42:57,310 --> 00:42:55,910
to limit yourself to the evidence that

1166
00:42:59,530 --> 00:42:57,320
doesn't mean that anything goes you know

1167
00:43:01,150 --> 00:42:59,540
but then you start thinking 60s and like

1168
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:01,160
swinging stuff and you're running me on

1169
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:02,810
nuclear free think it has a bit of a 60s

1170
00:43:06,340 --> 00:43:04,730
year exactly that it kind of it does

1171
00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:06,350
this kind of all great i'm a fourth

1172
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:07,640
swing and i'm just going to think all

1173
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:09,370
kinds of crazy thought bring it up a

1174
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:11,810
critical thing that I think is quite a

1175
00:43:20,089 --> 00:43:17,210
but again critical has got a negative

1176
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:20,099
meaning as well as no sir so where to

1177
00:43:23,660 --> 00:43:21,540
from here it runs had a big conference

1178
00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:23,670
everyone's going rah rah where do you

1179
00:43:27,380 --> 00:43:25,260
use that energy now well I'll be very

1180
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:27,390
surprised if some Australia doesn't

1181
00:43:32,810 --> 00:43:30,450
happen again if not next year than in a

1182
00:43:34,580 --> 00:43:32,820
couple years time I've got no inside

1183
00:43:36,650 --> 00:43:34,590
knowledge on that but it's been an

1184
00:43:38,420 --> 00:43:36,660
overwhelming success so I think so

1185
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:38,430
you're the happy singer which is kind of

1186
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:39,780
like the amazing Randi have you thought

1187
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,880
of any other adjectives I've gone with

1188
00:43:45,620 --> 00:43:43,920
the inconsistent Maynard because people

1189
00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:45,630
can't expect too much of you it sort of

1190
00:43:49,099 --> 00:43:47,790
putting it another adjective in there in

1191
00:43:50,839 --> 00:43:49,109
my own name or if someone else is known

1192
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:50,849
someone else's names you know that's a

1193
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:52,650
liable thing but you know your own happy

1194
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:54,540
is pretty good but happy world easy and

1195
00:43:58,540 --> 00:43:56,250
adequate singer the more time I spend

1196
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,550
around these amazing people the more I

1197
00:44:02,180 --> 00:44:00,960
mean this two ways are looking at when

1198
00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:02,190
you meet somebody who is utterly awesome

1199
00:44:05,570 --> 00:44:03,750
you can either try and get better

1200
00:44:07,310 --> 00:44:05,580
yourself or you can just give up and I

1201
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,320
always try and do the first one

1202
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,119
something aspiring yeah date the

1203
00:44:12,589 --> 00:44:11,040
inspired seeing inspired singer that

1204
00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:12,599
that's probably the best word to

1205
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,740
describe what the weekend's been like

1206
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:15,359
it's been inspirational you know I've

1207
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,680
got I'm very good friends with the

1208
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:18,480
drunken man i'm jason brown and he's

1209
00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:21,240
always spearing me on to do which means

1210
00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:22,500
you're probably off your face right now

1211
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:27,390
you are always always it's it's just

1212
00:44:31,579 --> 00:44:28,890
fabulous and he's always spurring me on

1213
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:31,589
to do something even funnier or or even

1214
00:44:36,380 --> 00:44:34,770
more insightful you know he won't let me

1215
00:44:39,859 --> 00:44:36,390
relax is always raising the bar on what

1216
00:44:41,660 --> 00:44:39,869
I've got to do to compete it's it's just

1217
00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:41,670
great when it's been an aspiring weekend

1218
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:43,710
well I'll let you get back to having you

1219
00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:46,800
borrowed I can't wait to get to the bar

1220
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:52,590
and what about you who we got here and

1221
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:54,310
what are you doing since Jason Brown

1222
00:45:00,360 --> 00:44:58,000
drunken mad men from Twitter I'm I'm

1223
00:45:02,580 --> 00:45:00,370
overwhelmed yet to be frank yeah I mean

1224
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:02,590
like you know you can be critical and we

1225
00:45:05,370 --> 00:45:04,090
would expect anyone in the skeptical

1226
00:45:08,820 --> 00:45:05,380
movement to be critical of what's going

1227
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,830
on here um but I don't hear a lot of

1228
00:45:12,990 --> 00:45:10,480
criticism but I think that's all that

1229
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:13,000
crucial oh it's more like the way things

1230
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,560
are done rather than what's being done

1231
00:45:18,450 --> 00:45:16,720
the people and the actual conference

1232
00:45:20,340 --> 00:45:18,460
itself of being absolutely superb a

1233
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:20,350
couple of little things but these are

1234
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:21,610
little things that we can probably live

1235
00:45:26,430 --> 00:45:24,970
with um you know I won't call any out

1236
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:26,440
now but you can come to my blog that my

1237
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:27,610
colleagues really it's not common i

1238
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:29,170
might call them out later all right i'll

1239
00:45:31,980 --> 00:45:30,640
look but i wasn't i wasn't asking you

1240
00:45:33,690 --> 00:45:31,990
for Chrismas my just saying what your

1241
00:45:34,980 --> 00:45:33,700
favorite bits been because you know it's

1242
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:34,990
because as passionate as you are about

1243
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:36,910
whinging you're pretty passionate about

1244
00:45:41,850 --> 00:45:38,650
what you love as well that's right yeah

1245
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:41,860
I think the highlight has been today it

1246
00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:45,520
was it Simon Taylor uh-huh up on upon

1247
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:47,350
the altar and reign with him and he was

1248
00:45:51,810 --> 00:45:49,450
explaining how you get across something

1249
00:45:53,130 --> 00:45:51,820
in an enthusiastic way by demonstrating

1250
00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:53,140
and enthusiastic way of getting

1251
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:54,780
something crossed Suzie hasn't firmness

1252
00:46:00,720 --> 00:45:57,760
the correct tone for the the time and

1253
00:46:02,310 --> 00:46:00,730
that was fantastic it was just like make

1254
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:02,320
the best point you possibly can and then

1255
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:03,910
get it done now it's really you can take

1256
00:46:06,510 --> 00:46:05,050
away from this I mean you've really been

1257
00:46:07,860 --> 00:46:06,520
on Media Watch I mean you don't need to

1258
00:46:11,820 --> 00:46:07,870
do anything else oh well obviously I my

1259
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:11,830
buddy now big star now there's plenty

1260
00:46:14,670 --> 00:46:12,850
you can take away from this for one

1261
00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:14,680
thing I'm doing skeptic amp sometime in

1262
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:16,750
the next six months people who are at

1263
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:18,010
the panel that I was on would have

1264
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:19,690
noticed that I got money thrown at me

1265
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:21,490
from the audience so now I'm committed

1266
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:23,890
I've got to do skeptic amp so watch this

1267
00:46:28,860 --> 00:46:26,530
space I haven't got a website that i

1268
00:46:31,650 --> 00:46:28,870
will hard that's some sort of batman

1269
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:31,660
based gay skipping thing yes yes is one

1270
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:33,730
of those nights it's basically a day or

1271
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:37,630
a half day of open presentations on

1272
00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:41,650
skepticism and activism and pretty much

1273
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:44,260
anyone's free to come and talk it'll be

1274
00:46:48,690 --> 00:46:46,090
kind of a mini town kind of a thing I

1275
00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:48,700
guess the full details have been worked

1276
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:49,900
out yet but I'm in discussion with

1277
00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:52,510
barcamp people and us skeptic am people

1278
00:46:55,620 --> 00:46:54,520
in Canadians get to 10 people and all of

1279
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,630
these people flooded me and I'm just

1280
00:46:59,210 --> 00:46:58,240
completely frazzled by it that's great

1281
00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:59,220
it's brilliant

1282
00:47:01,970 --> 00:47:00,540
well look I think there's been a bit of

1283
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,980
inspiration come out of this so i might

1284
00:47:05,180 --> 00:47:03,599
go chapter few other people man do so

1285
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,190
thanks man it was like any good skeptic

1286
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:06,960
we're going now i'm going to the pub

1287
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:08,210
mate you're going to come to the pub

1288
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,500
I've been barred from most immense area

1289
00:47:16,940 --> 00:47:12,000
but i'll try and sneak it right guess

1290
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:16,950
see you there what have you learned from

1291
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,330
Tam Australia where you've been here

1292
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:19,920
apart from the fact that I'm not too

1293
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:23,369
good at making a tinfoil hat that the

1294
00:47:27,890 --> 00:47:25,500
demographic of skeptics is a bit older

1295
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:27,900
than I had thought it would be like the

1296
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,369
average age it's a bit higher than I

1297
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:31,200
thought it would have been okay so what

1298
00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:33,930
you expected it to be people in 20 so

1299
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,550
what did you expect it to be I was

1300
00:47:38,780 --> 00:47:37,200
expecting more people in their twenties

1301
00:47:40,570 --> 00:47:38,790
and you might have been expecting more

1302
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:40,580
women

1303
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:43,610
yes and no i don't know i'm happy with

1304
00:47:46,810 --> 00:47:44,930
the number of women here I'm not

1305
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:46,820
surprised that there's not more but it

1306
00:47:50,110 --> 00:47:47,690
would have been nice if there were more

1307
00:47:51,610 --> 00:47:50,120
and you work bag and you weren't

1308
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:51,620
expecting so many beards was that the

1309
00:47:56,830 --> 00:47:55,310
problem I think so

1310
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,840
well I mean yeah once you get to a

1311
00:48:00,400 --> 00:47:58,640
certain age like maybe growing to be is

1312
00:48:01,930 --> 00:48:00,410
not a bad idea i mean i'm thinking about

1313
00:48:04,330 --> 00:48:01,940
it myself because it probably goes well

1314
00:48:06,490 --> 00:48:04,340
with the tin foil hat it does there was

1315
00:48:09,820 --> 00:48:06,500
a lady i saw on the bus last night that

1316
00:48:11,140 --> 00:48:09,830
had quite nice beard really yes where

1317
00:48:14,050 --> 00:48:11,150
you staying here is it something near

1318
00:48:16,810 --> 00:48:14,060
lucas heights or something no my live in

1319
00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:16,820
stanmore and what's been your favorite

1320
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:18,350
thing here while you be the town

1321
00:48:22,330 --> 00:48:20,090
australia conference apart from beard

1322
00:48:24,130 --> 00:48:22,340
cannon I think he's trying to be taught

1323
00:48:28,510 --> 00:48:24,140
this morning it's my favorite what you

1324
00:48:29,890 --> 00:48:28,520
learn from it p universes wow it sounds

1325
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:29,900
like something someone when kids might

1326
00:48:34,420 --> 00:48:31,810
have to work on but no what is it

1327
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:34,430
universes that are green or emitting

1328
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:37,370
green light yes that's great i was in

1329
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:38,930
here mucking about megan's tinfoil hat i

1330
00:48:41,290 --> 00:48:40,250
should have been in there I should have

1331
00:48:44,050 --> 00:48:41,300
done what I did at school I should

1332
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:44,060
listen yes that is an important lesson

1333
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:45,680
and what are you taking away from it you

1334
00:48:50,060 --> 00:48:47,570
guys you obviously the convention here

1335
00:48:53,570 --> 00:48:50,070
would he can take away from it

1336
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:53,580
um a lot of entertainment finding out

1337
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:58,200
just how much the wider accessible group

1338
00:49:00,830 --> 00:48:59,520
of people are interested in these sort

1339
00:49:02,930 --> 00:49:00,840
of things can actually directly help

1340
00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:02,940
science and what didn't realize those as

1341
00:49:06,860 --> 00:49:04,560
much as much of that is going on is

1342
00:49:08,420 --> 00:49:06,870
they're clearly use and what do you take

1343
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:08,430
away from it you're going to go to work

1344
00:49:14,270 --> 00:49:11,910
or we're on Monday and go on I want to

1345
00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:14,280
promote causes that skeptics can really

1346
00:49:19,310 --> 00:49:17,640
actually get behind like getting a cause

1347
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:19,320
I'm university student actually getting

1348
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:21,300
people at university involved in causes

1349
00:49:28,820 --> 00:49:26,970
like stop the ATM and sort of taking

1350
00:49:31,220 --> 00:49:28,830
arms against naturopaths and other such

1351
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:31,230
quacks and a little bit the more extreme

1352
00:49:35,540 --> 00:49:32,610
ones difficult ones like your

1353
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:35,550
Scientology the Catholic Church extremes

1354
00:49:43,070 --> 00:49:40,680
land denouncing them I think and just

1355
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:43,080
generally making people more aware of

1356
00:49:53,689 --> 00:49:51,620
look look tam Australia it's all a rap

1357
00:49:54,949 --> 00:49:53,699
now it's all done by the shouting and

1358
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:54,959
the drinking and the being kicked out

1359
00:50:00,920 --> 00:49:56,249
there what did you make it the whole

1360
00:50:02,269 --> 00:50:00,930
thing it was wonderful yeah what was the

1361
00:50:05,329 --> 00:50:02,279
favor big lots a bit that inspired you

1362
00:50:08,029 --> 00:50:05,339
to wear your pants dr. Pamela kaze

1363
00:50:11,420 --> 00:50:08,039
alwayz amazing love her voice and I love

1364
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:11,430
her positivity again and for you what

1365
00:50:17,539 --> 00:50:13,609
was it like at an Australian was awesome

1366
00:50:19,819 --> 00:50:17,549
was the first step to and very

1367
00:50:21,709 --> 00:50:19,829
inspirational to Steve novella well that

1368
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:21,719
was a thank you from here yeah I mean

1369
00:50:25,489 --> 00:50:23,249
hanging around with smart people doesn't

1370
00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:25,499
make me feel too bright myself but

1371
00:50:28,609 --> 00:50:26,609
that's probably more about my

1372
00:50:31,489 --> 00:50:28,619
inadequacies than actually do the event

1373
00:50:33,739 --> 00:50:31,499
no I felt the same way but it just I

1374
00:50:36,439 --> 00:50:33,749
suppose from a health care standpoint

1375
00:50:37,999 --> 00:50:36,449
and kind of like an icon from a sort of

1376
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,009
health care background as well just kind

1377
00:50:43,069 --> 00:50:40,559
of makes me got me ticking ticking so

1378
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,079
yeah I suppose that's what it is and

1379
00:50:46,699 --> 00:50:45,119
Lawrence had you found the whole thing

1380
00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:46,709
man you you are getting bigger in the

1381
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,319
skeptical field all the time absolutely

1382
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:51,599
you know next one is going to be the

1383
00:50:57,289 --> 00:50:55,440
amazing Lawrence festival I know it is

1384
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:57,299
amazing and if you get a different

1385
00:51:00,799 --> 00:50:58,859
adjective you know I've gone the I've

1386
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,809
gone the inconsistent Maynard they've

1387
00:51:05,749 --> 00:51:03,119
even a bit of thought to it thus well

1388
00:51:09,469 --> 00:51:05,759
against the swelling in meeting yeah

1389
00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:09,479
yeah I know it has to promise a lot if

1390
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:11,160
you're going to have them title amazing

1391
00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:12,930
in the actual title of the conference

1392
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:13,950
yeah and

1393
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:16,980
you know it was it opened a lot of minds

1394
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:19,170
it's good and what was your favorite

1395
00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:20,730
part of it if I would speak of the most

1396
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:23,369
inspiring part of you I think I think

1397
00:51:27,970 --> 00:51:25,050
all of it was quite inspiring i miss the

1398
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:27,980
first day but i enjoyed the dick smith

1399
00:51:34,310 --> 00:51:32,640
Randy chat on the second day and that's

1400
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:34,320
a big call big dick Smith's try and do

1401
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:36,089
isn't it they're like about population

1402
00:51:39,319 --> 00:51:37,680
growth that's a big call because the

1403
00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:39,329
political will for that work and there's

1404
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:40,619
none like you wouldn't be many votes in

1405
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:43,650
it what was either the dick smith

1406
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:47,490
population like growth the DC strongly

1407
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:48,810
like this is the almost zero population

1408
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,130
growth that's going to be a hard one

1409
00:51:53,450 --> 00:51:51,839
yeah it will be a hard one because

1410
00:51:55,460 --> 00:51:53,460
people keep reproducing and we just

1411
00:51:57,079 --> 00:51:55,470
can't stop ourselves yeah and I'll give

1412
00:51:59,230 --> 00:51:57,089
in China where they've enforced it in a

1413
00:52:02,060 --> 00:51:59,240
very ugly way still their problems

1414
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:02,070
that's right absolutely well you know

1415
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:03,990
Dick Smith is a man with opinions and

1416
00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:06,810
you know good luck to him but you know

1417
00:52:11,089 --> 00:52:09,300
hey I like his electronics as well ah

1418
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:11,099
all these computers probly still work

1419
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:14,460
what is the one area of skepticism where

1420
00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:16,650
you see red where you go nonlinear as

1421
00:52:20,059 --> 00:52:17,940
they say when you hear about it you

1422
00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:20,069
can't help but butting in it at a dinner

1423
00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:21,300
party or something when someone bring

1424
00:52:23,870 --> 00:52:22,440
something up with some people it's

1425
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:23,880
anti-vaccination with some people to

1426
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:25,530
astrology what's the one that you feel

1427
00:52:32,089 --> 00:52:30,000
very strongly about what do I first I

1428
00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:32,099
think would have to be sometimes it's

1429
00:52:37,609 --> 00:52:35,940
psychics sometimes homeopathy sometimes

1430
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:37,619
it's echinacea you know everyone says

1431
00:52:41,329 --> 00:52:39,089
you know have a bit of echinacea it's

1432
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:41,339
like the wonder wonder vitamin it's not

1433
00:52:47,450 --> 00:52:45,030
even a vitamin and I mean I like

1434
00:52:49,579 --> 00:52:47,460
placebos as next as the next delusional

1435
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:49,589
person and I love self-deluding myself

1436
00:52:54,370 --> 00:52:52,890
into fitness and echinacea well it's

1437
00:52:56,980 --> 00:52:54,380
just not for me

1438
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,990
so if I said I man you got to try some

1439
00:53:01,540 --> 00:52:58,160
echinacea how would you normally come

1440
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:01,550
back other I'll take the I'll take the

1441
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:02,810
whole bottle let's see what you see if

1442
00:53:18,190 --> 00:53:15,890
it really works where can you turn to

1443
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:18,200
find others like yourself who appreciate

1444
00:53:23,470 --> 00:53:20,810
critical thinking you can turn to

1445
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:23,480
skeptical inquirer the magazine that

1446
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:26,810
separates fact from media myth it's

1447
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:28,370
published by the committee for skeptical

1448
00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:31,310
inquiry find out what genuine science

1449
00:53:37,470 --> 00:53:33,950
has to say about the extraordinary and

1450
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:37,480
the unexplained you might be surprised

1451
00:53:44,980 --> 00:53:40,490
subscribe to skeptical Inquirer today

1452
00:53:47,830 --> 00:53:44,990
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1453
00:53:52,890 --> 00:53:47,840
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00:54:04,450 --> 00:53:56,960
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1456
00:54:08,539 --> 00:54:04,460
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1457
00:54:12,890 --> 00:54:10,549
hello listeners and welcome to dr.

1458
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,900
Richie reports well well another week

1459
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:15,119
has gone by here in the land down under

1460
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:16,890
and there is yet more good news to

1461
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,160
report and plenty of it well where to

1462
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:22,319
start how about with the darling of the

1463
00:54:26,359 --> 00:54:24,209
anti-vaccination movement andrew

1464
00:54:28,969 --> 00:54:26,369
wakefield who took another mighty blow

1465
00:54:30,799 --> 00:54:28,979
this week the British Medical Journal

1466
00:54:32,919 --> 00:54:30,809
revealed that they are to publish a

1467
00:54:35,329 --> 00:54:32,929
series of articles by Brian dear

1468
00:54:38,179 --> 00:54:35,339
alleging that Wakefield was deliberately

1469
00:54:40,459 --> 00:54:38,189
fraudulent in his 1998 research which

1470
00:54:42,999 --> 00:54:40,469
began the worldwide scared that the MMR

1471
00:54:44,929 --> 00:54:43,009
vaccine was linked to autism an

1472
00:54:47,449 --> 00:54:44,939
editorial in the British Medical Journal

1473
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:47,459
referred to that paper as it has become

1474
00:54:52,939 --> 00:54:50,729
known as an elaborate fraud and worse

1475
00:54:55,189 --> 00:54:52,949
still the investigation concluded that

1476
00:54:57,019 --> 00:54:55,199
Wakefield misrepresented or altered the

1477
00:54:59,479 --> 00:54:57,029
medical histories of the 12 children

1478
00:55:01,279 --> 00:54:59,489
studied the editor-in-chief of the

1479
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:01,289
British Medical Journal said Wakefield's

1480
00:55:07,249 --> 00:55:04,559
work was based not on bad science but on

1481
00:55:09,019 --> 00:55:07,259
a deliberate fraud but the media it

1482
00:55:12,439 --> 00:55:09,029
seems are losing their patients with the

1483
00:55:15,019 --> 00:55:12,449
anti-vaxxers Anderson Cooper of 360 on

1484
00:55:16,699 --> 00:55:15,029
CNN interviewed Wakefield apparently

1485
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:16,709
from a vaccine conference held in

1486
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:18,839
Jamaica here's an excerpt from the

1487
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:22,319
interview sir according to this new

1488
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:24,420
report not only did you do a study that

1489
00:55:29,209 --> 00:55:26,609
was scientifically and ethically flawed

1490
00:55:30,620 --> 00:55:29,219
it was quote an elaborate fraud an

1491
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,630
award-winning investigative journalist

1492
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:32,160
brian deer is published evidence that

1493
00:55:36,739 --> 00:55:34,529
you and i quote altered numerous facts

1494
00:55:38,779 --> 00:55:36,749
about patients medical histories to

1495
00:55:41,150 --> 00:55:38,789
support your claims of identifying a new

1496
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:41,160
syndrome and that you also quote sought

1497
00:55:47,989 --> 00:55:43,890
to exploit the scare among parents for

1498
00:55:49,669 --> 00:55:47,999
financial gain how do you respond well

1499
00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:49,679
you know I've had to put up with this

1500
00:55:53,689 --> 00:55:51,390
man's false allegations for many many

1501
00:55:55,370 --> 00:55:53,699
years I've written a book and even this

1502
00:55:57,669 --> 00:55:55,380
is not as one man this is this is a

1503
00:56:00,319 --> 00:55:57,679
published in the British Medical Journal

1504
00:56:02,449 --> 00:56:00,329
ya know and I have not as yet had a

1505
00:56:04,579 --> 00:56:02,459
chance to read that but i had read his

1506
00:56:06,709 --> 00:56:04,589
multiple allegations on many occasions

1507
00:56:08,989 --> 00:56:06,719
he is a hit man he's been brought in to

1508
00:56:11,449 --> 00:56:08,999
take me down because they are very very

1509
00:56:12,949 --> 00:56:11,459
concerned about the adverse reactions to

1510
00:56:14,269 --> 00:56:12,959
vaccines that are occurring in children

1511
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,279
wait a minute sir let me stop you right

1512
00:56:18,140 --> 00:56:16,319
there you say he's a hit man and he's

1513
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:18,150
been brought in by they who

1514
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:20,250
they who is he a hit man bro or doesn't

1515
00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:22,490
inhale journalist who's won many awards

1516
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:25,859
yeah he's and he's you know who bought

1517
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:28,140
this man in who is paying this man I

1518
00:56:32,269 --> 00:56:30,210
don't know but I do know for sure that

1519
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:32,279
he's not a journalist Mike you are but

1520
00:56:36,109 --> 00:56:33,480
let's just let's talk about some of the

1521
00:56:37,579 --> 00:56:36,119
specifics that he is claiming you're

1522
00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:37,589
basically saying this is a some sort of

1523
00:56:41,569 --> 00:56:39,480
conspiracy against you is that is that

1524
00:56:43,819 --> 00:56:41,579
your argument conspiracy is your word

1525
00:56:46,190 --> 00:56:43,829
what it is is a ruthless pragmatic

1526
00:56:48,769 --> 00:56:46,200
attempt to crush any investigation into

1527
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:48,779
valid vaccine safety concerns it's not

1528
00:56:52,819 --> 00:56:50,609
just my concerns i'm here at a meeting

1529
00:56:55,460 --> 00:56:52,829
of experts on vaccines from around the

1530
00:56:57,019 --> 00:56:55,470
world who are extremely concerned about

1531
00:56:59,059 --> 00:56:57,029
the safety of vaccines and the barrage

1532
00:57:01,010 --> 00:56:59,069
but they believe and i believe is being

1533
00:57:03,620 --> 00:57:01,020
done to children sir there's no proof of

1534
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,630
that and your study is a fraud according

1535
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:05,760
to this latest investigation which is

1536
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:07,529
taking a quite some time an answer let

1537
00:57:10,849 --> 00:57:09,150
me just continue it's not just this one

1538
00:57:12,349 --> 00:57:10,859
journalist who's saying this who you

1539
00:57:14,420 --> 00:57:12,359
believe is some sort of a hitman it's

1540
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:14,430
not just pharmaceutical companies or the

1541
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:16,710
ama and it's not just public health

1542
00:57:19,700 --> 00:57:18,329
officials from around the world and it's

1543
00:57:21,410 --> 00:57:19,710
not just doctors from around the world

1544
00:57:23,210 --> 00:57:21,420
it's also other journalists have a

1545
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:23,220
looked into your research and found it

1546
00:57:26,839 --> 00:57:24,839
simply incorrect are you saying that

1547
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:26,849
they they're all in conspiracy against

1548
00:57:30,589 --> 00:57:28,650
you now they haven't in fact they've

1549
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:30,599
taken his story and treated it as a

1550
00:57:34,730 --> 00:57:32,970
debate and treatment it as true and if

1551
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,740
you read my book you will be able to

1552
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:36,720
read the truth than what has the bmj

1553
00:57:40,910 --> 00:57:38,609
read my book have the doctors who

1554
00:57:43,339 --> 00:57:40,920
apparently looked at all the records

1555
00:57:45,289 --> 00:57:43,349
read my book no because the truth is in

1556
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,299
that book sir I've read Bryan dears

1557
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:47,520
award which is incredibly extensive so

1558
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:48,900
I'm not here to let you pitch your book

1559
00:57:53,029 --> 00:57:50,400
i'm here to have you answer questions

1560
00:57:55,549 --> 00:57:53,039
brian hall has talked to the page and

1561
00:57:57,260 --> 00:57:55,559
talk to the parents has talked to the

1562
00:57:59,359 --> 00:57:57,270
parents of the patients who were in your

1563
00:58:02,150 --> 00:57:59,369
original study and he discovered that

1564
00:58:04,210 --> 00:58:02,160
not one of the twelve cases you claim to

1565
00:58:06,769 --> 00:58:04,220
have studied was free of quote

1566
00:58:08,990 --> 00:58:06,779
misrepresentation or alteration in no

1567
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:09,000
single case to the medical records be

1568
00:58:13,309 --> 00:58:10,799
fully reconciled with the descriptions

1569
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:13,319
diagnosis or histories published in the

1570
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:15,210
journal some of the parents in your

1571
00:58:19,730 --> 00:58:17,490
original study say what you claimed

1572
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:19,740
about their kids medical histories was

1573
00:58:24,589 --> 00:58:22,770
not true are those parents now line that

1574
00:58:28,099 --> 00:58:24,599
is false he has not interviewed the

1575
00:58:29,539 --> 00:58:28,109
parents that is absolutely not true so

1576
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:29,549
you're saying the parent no parents I

1577
00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:31,200
say that what you've said about their

1578
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:31,980
children's medical

1579
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:35,220
trees is false no they don't well I have

1580
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,450
said and what has been reported in that

1581
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:38,400
paper beam by me and my colleagues is

1582
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:40,770
exactly what we saw I want to redo some

1583
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:42,420
of the other specifics from the report

1584
00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:44,490
three of nine children reported with

1585
00:58:50,300 --> 00:58:47,910
regressive autism according to to mr.

1586
00:58:51,950 --> 00:58:50,310
dear did not have autism diagnosed at

1587
00:58:54,770 --> 00:58:51,960
all only one child clearly had

1588
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:54,780
regressive autism is that true no it's

1589
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:57,359
not the diagnoses are as they were in

1590
00:59:01,099 --> 00:58:58,980
the children I did not make the

1591
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:01,109
diagnosis of autism I did not make up

1592
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:03,330
the diagnosis the diagnosis were taken

1593
00:59:07,550 --> 00:59:05,760
from the clinical records and review by

1594
00:59:09,530 --> 00:59:07,560
experts at the Royal Free Hospital

1595
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:09,540
School of Medicine according to mr. here

1596
00:59:12,830 --> 00:59:11,160
some kids were reported to have

1597
00:59:16,070 --> 00:59:12,840
experienced first behavioral symptoms

1598
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:16,080
within days of MMR the vaccine but the

1599
00:59:21,620 --> 00:59:17,910
records documented these is starting

1600
00:59:24,109 --> 00:59:21,630
some months after the vaccine if you

1601
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:24,119
read the record that I have set out in

1602
00:59:28,790 --> 00:59:26,700
the book you will see the truth user if

1603
00:59:30,380 --> 00:59:28,800
you're lying in your book is also a lot

1604
00:59:32,690 --> 00:59:30,390
if your study is a lie your book is a

1605
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:32,700
lie the book is not alive the study is

1606
00:59:36,859 --> 00:59:34,890
not a lie the findings that we made have

1607
00:59:38,690 --> 00:59:36,869
been replicated in five countries around

1608
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:38,700
the world sir there's no true you've

1609
00:59:42,290 --> 00:59:40,290
been offered the chance to replicate

1610
00:59:44,359 --> 00:59:42,300
your study and you've never taken taken

1611
00:59:46,790 --> 00:59:44,369
anybody up on that you've had plenty of

1612
00:59:48,980 --> 00:59:46,800
opportunity of your start use me giving

1613
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:48,990
you a falsehood i am telling you but

1614
00:59:53,420 --> 00:59:51,330
this work has been replicated in five

1615
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,430
countries around the world why is it by

1616
00:59:56,660 --> 00:59:55,200
willingly discredited by public health

1617
00:59:58,310 --> 00:59:56,670
official and around the world okay I

1618
01:00:01,540 --> 00:59:58,320
suggest you do your investigation

1619
01:00:03,590 --> 01:00:01,550
property before making such allegations

1620
01:00:05,330 --> 01:00:03,600
speaking of the media losing their

1621
01:00:08,090 --> 01:00:05,340
patients with the anti vectors a

1622
01:00:10,099 --> 01:00:08,100
journalist in Australia today not only

1623
01:00:13,210 --> 01:00:10,109
tossed away the book on false balance

1624
01:00:15,620 --> 01:00:13,220
but set it on fire and stomped on it too

1625
01:00:18,370 --> 01:00:15,630
in an interview about the Wakefield

1626
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,380
findings Tracy Spicer of radio 2ue

1627
01:00:23,390 --> 01:00:20,880
constantly interrupted Merrill Dory from

1628
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:23,400
the avian and eventually hung up on her

1629
01:00:27,140 --> 01:00:25,200
declaring she would never be on the

1630
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,150
station again with her dangerous

1631
01:00:31,370 --> 01:00:29,520
disgusting disgraceful information it

1632
01:00:33,859 --> 01:00:31,380
was one of the best interviews I've

1633
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:33,869
heard with dori who was usually pandered

1634
01:00:37,849 --> 01:00:35,490
to by the mainstream media in the

1635
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:37,859
interest of balance here's an excerpt

1636
01:00:42,740 --> 01:00:40,890
from the interview merrill dory lives in

1637
01:00:44,420 --> 01:00:42,750
this region she's probably the most

1638
01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:44,430
vocal critic of vaccination in this

1639
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:45,900
country and she runs the Australia

1640
01:00:50,210 --> 01:00:47,910
vaccination Network and she's on the

1641
01:00:52,250 --> 01:00:50,220
line how are you Meryl I'm good Tracy

1642
01:00:53,870 --> 01:00:52,260
how are you good thanks Shirley after

1643
01:00:55,549 --> 01:00:53,880
all this so you must now admit that

1644
01:00:57,980 --> 01:00:55,559
you've based your scare campaign on

1645
01:01:01,460 --> 01:00:57,990
fraudulent and misleading information Oh

1646
01:01:04,099 --> 01:01:01,470
Tracy I love your language unfortunately

1647
01:01:06,650 --> 01:01:04,109
this this subject is far from put to bed

1648
01:01:08,510 --> 01:01:06,660
and the news that came out in the

1649
01:01:10,279 --> 01:01:08,520
British Medical Journal is not news at

1650
01:01:12,980 --> 01:01:10,289
all it's simply a rehashing of

1651
01:01:14,779 --> 01:01:12,990
accusations that were made previously it

1652
01:01:17,420 --> 01:01:14,789
absolutely is news Meryl it is

1653
01:01:19,309 --> 01:01:17,430
discrediting and disputing the entire

1654
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:19,319
research upon which people have not

1655
01:01:22,490 --> 01:01:21,000
vaccinated their children and children

1656
01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:22,500
have died from whooping cough and

1657
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:25,049
measles as a result we children in

1658
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:26,640
Australia have died from whooping cough

1659
01:01:29,870 --> 01:01:28,260
and we have the highest level of

1660
01:01:31,789 --> 01:01:29,880
whooping cough vaccination we've ever

1661
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:31,799
had and the majority of the people

1662
01:01:36,019 --> 01:01:33,450
getting whooping cough were vaccinated

1663
01:01:37,730 --> 01:01:36,029
but fact I get a lower dose of the week

1664
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:37,740
whooping cough once I've been vaccinated

1665
01:01:42,579 --> 01:01:40,079
yes but it's a lower dose but anyway go

1666
01:01:45,170 --> 01:01:42,589
on I'm back to Wakefield on the

1667
01:01:48,620 --> 01:01:45,180
accusation is that Wakefield took money

1668
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:48,630
while he was doing an investigation on

1669
01:01:54,380 --> 01:01:51,210
behalf of lawyers who were hoping to

1670
01:01:56,329 --> 01:01:54,390
take a lawsuit for children who had

1671
01:01:58,700 --> 01:01:56,339
developed regressive autism after the

1672
01:02:00,620 --> 01:01:58,710
measles mumps rubella vaccine Wakefield

1673
01:02:02,900 --> 01:02:00,630
had actually revealed that information

1674
01:02:05,269 --> 01:02:02,910
to the lancet prior to the article being

1675
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,279
published and it was 50,000 pounds that

1676
01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:06,960
we're talking about and the money was

1677
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:09,089
used to pay for tests on these children

1678
01:02:13,819 --> 01:02:11,849
it didn't go into his pocket if we think

1679
01:02:16,370 --> 01:02:13,829
that that is an unreasonable thing for

1680
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:16,380
Wakefield to do why is Paul office in

1681
01:02:20,269 --> 01:02:18,210
the United States who made tens of

1682
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:20,279
millions of dollars selling a patent on

1683
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:22,890
a rotavirus vaccine for which he sat on

1684
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:24,930
the committee to approve that vaccine in

1685
01:02:30,349 --> 01:02:27,359
the United States still in a job the

1686
01:02:33,650 --> 01:02:30,359
fact is that that vaccinations and

1687
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:33,660
autism are linked in the minds of many

1688
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:35,910
researchers Meryl that is an outrageous

1689
01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:37,650
thing for you to say you were ordered by

1690
01:02:41,660 --> 01:02:39,180
the Australian healthcare Complaints

1691
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:41,670
Commission to put a disclaimer on your

1692
01:02:45,710 --> 01:02:43,650
website that's saying that saying that

1693
01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:45,720
there is no link and here you are no

1694
01:02:51,890 --> 01:02:48,089
non-metropolitan radio we were spreading

1695
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:51,900
your misinformation I'm absolutely not

1696
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:53,520
wrong about that Meryl our Complaints

1697
01:02:57,559 --> 01:02:55,680
Commission asked us to put a warning on

1698
01:02:59,330 --> 01:02:57,569
our website to let people know that we

1699
01:03:00,680 --> 01:02:59,340
were anti-vaccination none

1700
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:00,690
and also they found that your website

1701
01:03:04,100 --> 01:03:02,640
contains information that is incorrect

1702
01:03:05,390 --> 01:03:04,110
and misleading and quote selectively

1703
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:05,400
from research to suggest that

1704
01:03:09,110 --> 01:03:07,290
vaccinations are dangerous i quote that

1705
01:03:11,390 --> 01:03:09,120
word for word but you just said that

1706
01:03:13,250 --> 01:03:11,400
they asked us to put a little of war yes

1707
01:03:14,660 --> 01:03:13,260
I did you had your fundraising status

1708
01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:14,670
revoked and were ordered to post a

1709
01:03:17,540 --> 01:03:16,260
disclaimer on your website I looked at

1710
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:17,550
your website this morning there is no

1711
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:19,050
such disclaimer I throat and we've

1712
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:21,330
refused to do that and we are also

1713
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:23,250
appealing that decision with the office

1714
01:03:26,210 --> 01:03:25,050
of liquor gaming and racing but in the

1715
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:26,220
meantime you're required to post a

1716
01:03:29,210 --> 01:03:27,480
disclaimer I'll you're not writing

1717
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:29,220
dangerous information that can lead to

1718
01:03:32,540 --> 01:03:31,170
children being killed Merrill Tracy do

1719
01:03:34,580 --> 01:03:32,550
you want to talk about Andrew Wakefield

1720
01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:34,590
and about the measles and the fact that

1721
01:03:39,470 --> 01:03:37,230
autism has increased by something over

1722
01:03:41,630 --> 01:03:39,480
two thousand percent since the

1723
01:03:43,610 --> 01:03:41,640
introduction of multiple vaccinations

1724
01:03:45,380 --> 01:03:43,620
yes Meryl and it's coincidental it has

1725
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:45,390
been proven there is no link autism

1726
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:47,250
rates continue personal opinion trade

1727
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:49,170
also with autism rates and it's my

1728
01:03:52,190 --> 01:03:50,850
opinion after doing research and

1729
01:03:54,050 --> 01:03:52,200
speaking of researchers autism rates

1730
01:03:56,060 --> 01:03:54,060
continue to rise in Japan after the

1731
01:03:57,890 --> 01:03:56,070
withdrawal of the MMR vex I'd like to

1732
01:03:59,330 --> 01:03:57,900
direct people to our website where I

1733
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:59,340
would like you I'm not in fact let's

1734
01:04:02,060 --> 01:04:00,720
just in the interview now let's just end

1735
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:02,070
the interview that was Meryl Dory from

1736
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:03,930
the Australian vaccination network if

1737
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:05,610
she continues to spread this misleading

1738
01:04:09,860 --> 01:04:07,650
and deceptive information that ends up

1739
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:09,870
killing children we will no longer have

1740
01:04:13,820 --> 01:04:12,000
her on our program we had her on our

1741
01:04:15,290 --> 01:04:13,830
program hoping that she would finally

1742
01:04:16,730 --> 01:04:15,300
once and for all after the British

1743
01:04:18,590 --> 01:04:16,740
Medical Journal put this out this

1744
01:04:20,180 --> 01:04:18,600
morning retract the dangerous

1745
01:04:22,310 --> 01:04:20,190
information she has been disseminating

1746
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:22,320
far from retracting the dangerous

1747
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:23,850
information that the avn is

1748
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:26,130
disseminating Merrill has clung even

1749
01:04:30,620 --> 01:04:27,810
tighter to the poster boy for the

1750
01:04:32,330 --> 01:04:30,630
anti-vaxxers when the audio made it to

1751
01:04:34,820 --> 01:04:32,340
Twitter there was an explosion of

1752
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:34,830
interest and pretty soon Tracey Spicer

1753
01:04:41,030 --> 01:04:37,170
stopped the avian and Merrill Dory were

1754
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:41,040
top trending topics in Australia very

1755
01:04:44,990 --> 01:04:42,810
quickly the word spread globally and

1756
01:04:47,900 --> 01:04:45,000
retweets from Simon Singh and Phil Plait

1757
01:04:50,810 --> 01:04:47,910
appeared and then late last night pz

1758
01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:50,820
myers also blogged the audio now the old

1759
01:04:55,100 --> 01:04:52,440
adage that all publicity is good

1760
01:04:58,190 --> 01:04:55,110
publicity does not really apply to being

1761
01:05:00,290 --> 01:04:58,200
ridiculed on pz myers website Merrill

1762
01:05:02,660 --> 01:05:00,300
has responded to the interview with a

1763
01:05:05,030 --> 01:05:02,670
blog post and also an interview in the

1764
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:05,040
Northern Star where she explains why

1765
01:05:10,790 --> 01:05:07,890
quote she supports Andrew Wakefield one

1766
01:05:12,839 --> 01:05:10,800
hundred percent I applaud his integrity

1767
01:05:15,089 --> 01:05:12,849
ethics and desire to help

1768
01:05:17,099 --> 01:05:15,099
nobody else will which is odd because

1769
01:05:19,019 --> 01:05:17,109
when she was asked recently if she's

1770
01:05:21,269 --> 01:05:19,029
still supported wakefield she had

1771
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:21,279
trouble answering that question this

1772
01:05:26,489 --> 01:05:23,200
excerpt comes from an interview from

1773
01:05:28,529 --> 01:05:26,499
July 2010 can I just ask you about the

1774
01:05:30,089 --> 01:05:28,539
qualifications of the group the avian

1775
01:05:31,979 --> 01:05:30,099
and what they stand for you would know

1776
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:31,989
you'd know the name of a guy called

1777
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:33,609
andrew wakefield i do know andrew

1778
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:36,130
wakefield you guys still support him we

1779
01:05:41,130 --> 01:05:38,890
support any research no no no no no do

1780
01:05:42,509 --> 01:05:41,140
you still support him do I support him I

1781
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:42,519
don't give him any money if that's what

1782
01:05:46,859 --> 01:05:45,039
you know but verbally you support him

1783
01:05:49,140 --> 01:05:46,869
his ID because he was struck off the

1784
01:05:50,729 --> 01:05:49,150
United Kingdom medical register even

1785
01:05:52,140 --> 01:05:50,739
struck off the medical register and is

1786
01:05:53,969 --> 01:05:52,150
only allowed not a practicing United

1787
01:05:55,499 --> 01:05:53,979
States of America no he day he doesn't

1788
01:05:57,719 --> 01:05:55,509
practice he's never been a practicing

1789
01:06:00,599 --> 01:05:57,729
doctor he's an academic and he's still

1790
01:06:02,430 --> 01:06:00,609
in academic and um you know we know of

1791
01:06:04,499 --> 01:06:02,440
many cases where people have been struck

1792
01:06:06,539 --> 01:06:04,509
off because they simply didn't agree

1793
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:06,549
with what the medical community filed in

1794
01:06:10,620 --> 01:06:08,410
these duties as a responsible consultant

1795
01:06:12,690 --> 01:06:10,630
the accident acted against the interests

1796
01:06:14,579 --> 01:06:12,700
of his patients no I'm sorry that's not

1797
01:06:16,049 --> 01:06:14,589
what was fair I don't know no that's why

1798
01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:16,059
I'm quoting from the United Kingdom

1799
01:06:20,339 --> 01:06:17,920
medical register and the reason why he

1800
01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:20,349
was struck off okay what is this got to

1801
01:06:23,489 --> 01:06:21,910
do with the aged Tripel see if I can

1802
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:23,499
well I'll tell you what it's got to do

1803
01:06:28,799 --> 01:06:25,930
with this is the fact that the avian you

1804
01:06:30,479 --> 01:06:28,809
supported him in the sense that you

1805
01:06:33,630 --> 01:06:30,489
disagreed with what the United Kingdom

1806
01:06:35,489 --> 01:06:33,640
medical register did in her interview in

1807
01:06:37,620 --> 01:06:35,499
the Northern Star Meryl claimed there

1808
01:06:40,130 --> 01:06:37,630
were dozens of peer-reviewed published

1809
01:06:42,539 --> 01:06:40,140
articles supporting Wakefield's findings

1810
01:06:44,009 --> 01:06:42,549
professor boy from the National Center

1811
01:06:46,229 --> 01:06:44,019
for immunization research and

1812
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:46,239
surveillance described her claims as

1813
01:06:50,519 --> 01:06:49,119
laughable after what the bmj revealed

1814
01:06:52,799 --> 01:06:50,529
this week and on top of all the other

1815
01:06:54,900 --> 01:06:52,809
evidence against Wakefield those who

1816
01:06:58,140 --> 01:06:54,910
continue to cling to him succeed only in

1817
01:06:59,579 --> 01:06:58,150
making themselves irrelevant so finally

1818
01:07:02,339 --> 01:06:59,589
there was trouble in the Power Balance

1819
01:07:03,989 --> 01:07:02,349
camp this week as the a triple c story

1820
01:07:07,289 --> 01:07:03,999
eventually hit international headlines

1821
01:07:09,690 --> 01:07:07,299
when popular magazine gizmodo tweeted

1822
01:07:12,420 --> 01:07:09,700
power balance admits their wristbands

1823
01:07:14,370 --> 01:07:12,430
are a scam power ballads have been

1824
01:07:16,709 --> 01:07:14,380
laying pretty low since the a triple c

1825
01:07:18,779 --> 01:07:16,719
findings came down on december the 22nd

1826
01:07:19,950 --> 01:07:18,789
quietly removing the link to the

1827
01:07:22,650 --> 01:07:19,960
australian store from their

1828
01:07:24,359 --> 01:07:22,660
international website but as the news

1829
01:07:26,579 --> 01:07:24,369
spread and people started tweeting

1830
01:07:29,809 --> 01:07:26,589
questions they went into a kind of

1831
01:07:32,099 --> 01:07:29,819
damage control just not a very good one

1832
01:07:34,799 --> 01:07:32,109
picking up on the phrase Power Balance

1833
01:07:37,380 --> 01:07:34,809
admits there they tweeted a series of

1834
01:07:39,150 --> 01:07:37,390
comments completing the sentence for

1835
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:39,160
example Power Balance admits their

1836
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:41,650
international fans are awesome and Power

1837
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:43,359
Balance admits their products are worn

1838
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:45,369
by top athletes in every sport across

1839
01:07:49,890 --> 01:07:47,650
the globe but then Power Balance did

1840
01:07:53,130 --> 01:07:49,900
something very strange they tweeted

1841
01:07:55,979 --> 01:07:53,140
quite the existing reports out there are

1842
01:07:57,599 --> 01:07:55,989
fundamentally incorrect we did not make

1843
01:08:00,690 --> 01:07:57,609
claims that our product doesn't perform

1844
01:08:04,979 --> 01:08:00,700
we stand behind our products and then

1845
01:08:06,930 --> 01:08:04,989
Power Balance works we guarantee r which

1846
01:08:09,180 --> 01:08:06,940
simply opened the floodgates for satire

1847
01:08:11,339 --> 01:08:09,190
as people began to suggest ideas as to

1848
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:11,349
why the magic hologram only doesn't work

1849
01:08:16,410 --> 01:08:13,930
in Australia perhaps it didn't like

1850
01:08:17,970 --> 01:08:16,420
being upside down some suggested but

1851
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:17,980
then there was more trouble for power

1852
01:08:21,660 --> 01:08:19,449
balance as it was announced that a

1853
01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:21,670
class-action suit had been filed in the

1854
01:08:27,450 --> 01:08:25,089
US according to the popular website TMZ

1855
01:08:29,419 --> 01:08:27,460
the class-action lawsuit filed this week

1856
01:08:31,769 --> 01:08:29,429
in a federal court in Los Angeles

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alleges consumers were duped into

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believing the hologram embedded band was

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scientifically proven to enhance balance

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flexibility and strength but on the back

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of the admission to the a triple see

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that power balance had quote no credible

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scientific evidence that supported the

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representation the suit alleges unfair

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business practices and false advertising

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it will be interesting to see how this

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plays out power balance have apparently

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sold around 3 million units since 2007

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will this be the end of a hugely

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successful marketing campaign only time

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will tell sadly some people are still

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tweeting to power balance to ask where

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they can buy their products as the

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saying goes a fool and his money are

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soon parted and if you'd like to comment

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on this week's episode or read the

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transcript please head to my blog at

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skeptics book calm and until next time

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hey skeptics owners Phil Plait from Bad

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Astronomy here I've recently made a

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career change to super villain and so I

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haven't ultimatum for you send me all of

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your mentees and Tim Tams or else I will

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drop a kilometer wide asteroid right

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into Sydney Harbour now trust me you

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don't want to have this happen and if

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you don't believe me tune in to the

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discovery channel australia on January

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sixteenth and watch bad universe where I

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will go into loving detail about what

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happens when an asteroid that sighs

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well that was fun thank you for

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downloading the skeptic zone thanks for

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letting me be a intrusion into the

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regular proceedings here as well and a

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huge thank you to Maynard for his

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amazing interviews at tam i know that

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richard has been featuring a number of

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these interviews recently and boy

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Maynard was just very very generous with

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his time and is a real character a real

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fun character but now is a real pleasure

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to speak with him and be sure to check

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out all the links in the show that go to

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all the people that work so hard to do

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all the kind of stuff and on a personal

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note 11 gigantic not one but another

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huge round of thanks from me to all of

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my Australian brethren and cistern that

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made my experience in Australia so

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incredibly fun and just I know the word

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is used but boy it was amazing ok look

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out soon for the skeptic zone email

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you could possibly stand sent directly

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little program called the geologic

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podcast which is at geologic podcast.com

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but for now this is George Rob signing

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off from Bethlehem Pennsylvania Dubai

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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